Weekly Enterprise viewing

[jaime]

Broken Bow - How did the Klingons find out about Earth?
The farmer had a phaser weapon, so does the US law about the right to bear arms still exist under UE law or was it amended after projectile weapons became obsolete (yeah I am going there)
The Vulcan policy to hold back humans for 90 years, right or wrong? I say right based on how humans historically treat people who are different.

I think it’s a farmer/shotgun thing on the weapon. Though odd.
I think possibly wrong on the holding back, since it’s actually motivated out of ideological colonialism on the Vulcan side. And we did t shoot them.
Klingons found out about earth because....
KFC adverts?

 

[Nyotarules]

I think it’s a farmer/shotgun thing on the weapon. Though odd.
I think possibly wrong on the holding back, since it’s actually motivated out of ideological colonialism on the Vulcan side. And we did t shoot them.

I think it was the Broken Bow episode when Trip Tucker believed a mother was harming her child cos it looked as if the little boy could not breathe, he would have interfered if not for T'Pol exposing his ignorance. Humans in Archer's time meant well but were completely clueless about other galactic cultures, in less than 10 years of leaving Earth, they took part in two major galactic wars/conflicts. The law of unintended consequences....

Klingons found out about earth because....
KFC adverts?

Or prune juice adverts

 

[jaime]

I think it was the Broken Bow episode when Trip Tucker believed a mother was harming her child cos it looked as if the little boy could not breathe, he would have interfered if not for T'Pol exposing his ignorance. Humans in Archer's time meant well but were completely clueless about other galactic cultures, in less than 10 years of leaving Earth, they took part in two major galactic wars/conflicts. The law of untended consequences....



Or prune juice adverts

It is a warriors drink.

Imagine what would happen if he had grape soda. Or lilt. I wa t to see Worf hit the totally tropical taste. Gods...Irn Bru.

The humans were only uneducated because the Vulcans didn’t share their knowledge, or let them go get it for themselves...by making their own assumptions about the humans. I think that’s key, but I kind of drift off after Broken Bow xD

 

[Archivist13]

Fight or Flight
Episode1x03
Air Date: October 3,2001

Enterprise finds an abandoned ship, filled with corpses which appear to have been used for an experiment.

 

[Hopeful Romantic]

Seeing Hoshi as a scaredy cat on her first away mission, compared to the composed, together expert we saw back on Earth when Archer recruited her, was an intriguing twist. It showed how much room she had to grow.

 

[Archivist13]

Seeing Hoshi as a scaredy cat on her first away mission, compared to the composed, together expert we saw back on Earth when Archer recruited her, was an intriguing twist. It showed how much room she had to grow.

I agree. I like how Enterprise has rookies and crew that are unfamiliar with space travel and interactions with aliens. Watching them grow and become comfortable with themselves and their mission is what I think sets this series apart. There I a lot of heart.

 

[Archivist13]

Fight or Flight does a great job of showing that not all aliens are friendly or curious. Some are downright sinister. I find it interesting that the first real interaction with unknown space beings ends up being a scary affair.

 

[Damian]

I've been rewatching Enterprise now for about a year I guess. I'm sort of doing what you did, though sometimes I watched 2 episodes at a time. I got the Blu-Ray about 2 or 3 years ago and figured I'd start watching it when I completed TNG on Blu-Ray.

At this point I'm up to "Borderland" in Season 4. There were some good episodes in season 1 or 2 though. Some not as strong but I don't think any that were unwatcheable.

And I go back to the fact that TNG and DS9 really took until season 3 to really catch fire. There were a few growing pains with Enterprise but I think it got better as time went on.

Thinking back to "Fight or Flight" reminds me of something Archer said on the episode "Home" I just watched after the Xindi affair and Storm Front. When he laments about how scary the galaxy is and how he feels their first 2 years of exploring may have stirred up more trouble and maybe even indirectly led to the Xindi attack. He also expresses concern that he lost his exploration spirit in the Expanse and he's not sure how to get it back. "Fight or Flight" is probably an early example of how unfriendly the galaxy can be. "Silent Enemy" later in the season is probably Archer's first time expressing a bit of cynicism about the galaxy and how dangerous it can be when he decides they need to improve their weaponry (or bring it up to specs). Before that he had a bit of naivety thinking 'we come in peace' is all he needs.

 

[Nyotarules]

^I was surprised how naive the writers made Archer and Starfleet, not that they should have the attitude of 'we here exploring to conquer' or 'shoot first, ask questions later' but to expect everyone else in the galaxy to be as 'polite' as the Vulcans was stupid. Even Hernandez in Home did not seem convinced that things were that bad out there...

 

[Damian]

^I was surprised how naive the writers made Archer and Starfleet, not that they should have the attitude of 'we here exploring to conquer' or 'shoot first ask questions' later but to expect everyone else in the galaxy to be as 'polite' as the Vulcans was stupid. Even Hernandez in Home did not seem convinced that things were that bad out there...

Yes and no. I mean, early on, I can understand excitement since the Enterprise was going to be the first deep space exploration vessel. And Archer felt he had a lot to prove and probably wanted to have a positive attitude.

I do think by "Silent Enemy" he started to have doubts and was ready to return to the Solar System to have their weapons installed/upgraded. He still was a bit naïve, but a bit of reality did start to set in.

But at the same time, they should have known by the run in cargo vessels had that not all was friendly out there. The Enterprise was more powerful and a top of the line ship, so maybe they thought they'd be better able to handle problems.

But certainly after the Xindi incident Archer was completely different. In "Home" I thought Hernandez served as a counterbalance, and when talking to her it seemed to indicate as much. That while he needed to let her know the galaxy was not a safe place, she reminded him that at the same time not all is bad. They can still be explorers, but you can't throw caution to the wind. After that, Archer seemed to recapture a little bit of that spirit. He has more of a positive attitude again, but a realistic one at the same time. I thought his character was much stronger after that.

 

[Nyotarules]

I thought his character was much stronger after that.

I do wonder how things were suppose to pan out in the Archerverse, according to Daniels the Xindi attack was not meant to happen. Would he have remained the naive, 'I know better than T'Pol' captain (not that she was always right) or would he have learned to be more diplomatic.
I also think his experience with Surak changes him later on as well.

 

[Damian]

I do wonder how things were suppose to pan out in the Archerverse, according to Daniels the Xindi attack was not meant to happen. Would he have remained the naive, 'I know better than T'Pol' captain (not that she was always right) or would he have learned to be more diplomatic.
I also think his experience with Surak changes him later on as well.

Yeah, part of it was probably his experience with Surak's katra. I assume that was supposed to happen regardless. I imagine, like anyone though, over time he would have become wiser, maybe it would have just happened more gradually.

 

[Archivist13]

Strange New World
Episode1x04
First Aired October 10, 2001

An Enterprise landing party believes T'Pol is conspiring with a species of rock creatures on a strange class M planet.

 

[Infern0]

Im in.

Oh no why couldn't i have waited 2 weeks..

 

[Gary8]

The mirror universe eps are my favorite

 

[Nyotarules]

Just watched Affliction and Divergence is on right now. T'Pol does come across as emotionally immature when it comes to relationships, never made any sense why she broke up with Tucker.

 

[Long Syntax]

Strange New World
Episode1x04
First Aired October 10, 2001

An Enterprise landing party believes T'Pol is conspiring with a species of rock creatures on a strange class M planet.

Imaginary rock creatures

 

[Disposable_Ensign]

They should make a Enterprise Technical manual like they did with TOS, TNG, DS9, and i think VOY

 

[Hopeful Romantic]

Welcome to the ENT forum, Disposable_Ensign! We're always happy to welcome another fan of Enterprise.

We're glad to see you taking part in discussions, but unearthing a thread that has been dead for over 2 years....well, we prefer to let those threads rest in peace. Feel free to start a new thread about watching, rewatching, the lack of good support books for ENT, or whatever you'd like to discuss. Enjoy the forum!

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