nokiafuturephon
Lieutenant
The villain, Spock, gaping plotholes, and unnecessary plot devices sucked, but other than that it was an enjoyable Joe Six-pack kinda flick.
Weak Plot, Good Everything Else?
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And Nero doesn't even know when Spock's ship will exit. For all he knows he might not exit for another 300 years or ended up in the past, then what?
Well, to be fair, the movie made it clear that somehow Nero knew where and when old Spock was going to appear.
The plot could have been better, and I think the main problem was a quite un-original and empty (if well portrayed) antagonist, who I really didn't like. I voted for "The plot was weak, but everything else was great!" as it was the best one suiting my actuall feelings, but the overall idea I have on the movie is a bit more articulate. Which is good: if it makes you think, than it was a worthy product.
I don't think they really needed to. That is the least of the writing concerns I had with the film.
I agree, the villain was totally uninspired. Historically, with maybe one or two exceptions, Star Trek doesn't do vengeful thugs very well. No real suspense, it's simply a matter of fire power until the bad guy makes his inevitable firey exit. Kirk does better against super computers and omnipotent beings. A bit cliche perhaps, but that's his element, that's where he can flex his intellect and show why he's the cleverest captain in Starfleet. In fact, the biggest battle of wills in this movie was between Kirk and Spock; And though there's nothing wrong with that, it only served to diminish Nero's role all the more. I just hope they can serve up a more interesting clay pigeon for the next film.
It's true that The Wrath of Khan has some plot holes but nothing of the magnitude of this film, in my opinion.
No, he didn't otherwise he wouldn't have been asking Robau where was Ambassador Spock.
True, but I guess he figured it out somehow over the span of 25 years.
They could have simply rebooted and discarded the time travel... Really, who would have complained?
Most people here only care about good story... Yes, there are some vocal continuity humpers but they are, in the end, irrelevant.
I think we can have both. A good story is a must and with a little care continuity can be preserved, or at least major problems can be avoided.
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Stone_Cold_Sisko
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I agree that really stretches credibility, but if you think about it, Nero chose the closest planet to Vulcan (presumably) so Spock could watch it imploding, and the Enterprise was leaving Vulcan (or what used to be Vulcan) so they likely dumped Kirk off at the closest planet, too.
It's definitely contrived but once you establish it as the closest planet to Vulcan it starts to make a little more sense.
It makes sense that Kirk & old Spock would both be left on the same planet. What doesn't make sense is why Kirk was thrown off the ship in the first place? Why didn't they just put him in the brig?
Well, the plot was weak but there was also other weak aspects. I HATED the steampunk engineering. It doesn't work for me. Frankly, it's one of the poorest production ideas ever. Looked like something out of "Space Mutiny," a bad 1988 Sci-Fi B-movie done by Mystery Science Theater 3000 (and rightly so!). Terribly out of place.
My full review of this - spoiler heavy btw, is here at:
http://www.portal.startreklexington.net/index.php?topic=291
I give it a 7 out of 10.
For those of you who go to www.sfdebris.com and his opnionated guides, this review is of that style.
My full review of this - spoiler heavy btw, is here at:
http://www.portal.startreklexington.net/index.php?topic=291
I give it a 7 out of 10.
For those of you who go to www.sfdebris.com and his opnionated guides, this review is of that style.
I was quite pleased with the movie as a whole. It was entertaining, had a good amount of humor (without being too much), and had good acting.
I was initially wary of rebooting Trek, but they did it in such a way that I can happily accept it and I look forward to seeing more of this alternate Trekiverse.
The plot was weak, though. I think the 2387 events were not flushed out enough (I understood it better since I did read the Countdown comics, but a bit more of those details should have been included within the film). The Romulans do blame Spock and the Federation for the destruction of Romulus without any real logic. I could accept that if they carried out their actions relatively quickly, but they just sit around for 25 years. Nero's whole crew is apparently cool with decades of inaction in the name of pointless retaliation. Might someone suggest that they take their super-advanced starship to Romulus in 2230-something and enhance the technology of the entire Romulan fleet? That might allow them to destroy the Federation, if that's their only goal. Or maybe some forewarning of the disaster to come might help Romulus.
Spock is marooned on Delta Vega in order to watch Vulcan's destruction? Which can be seen from far away?
And I really don't understand the Academy graduation-promotion process. Kirk, McCoy, and Uhura were all cadets on the cusp of graduating, and end up as half the command crew of the ship in the end, with Kirk, who was under investigation and guilty of court martial, being made captain. And at the end, we saw Sulu (at least Sulu, there may have been other people present whom I didn't catch) in the Academy hall in a cadet uniform, so was he a cadet as well? I suppose, maybe, with so many ships destroyed, that posting many fresh cadets to somewhat important posts is reasonable. But if that is really the case, you don't promote the experienced Pike to a desk; you instead leave him in command of all these unexperienced newbies. And you don't make the resident problem cadet the captain.
So yes, highly entertaining with a lot of promise for the future, but the plot does not bear close scrutiny.
I was initially wary of rebooting Trek, but they did it in such a way that I can happily accept it and I look forward to seeing more of this alternate Trekiverse.
The plot was weak, though. I think the 2387 events were not flushed out enough (I understood it better since I did read the Countdown comics, but a bit more of those details should have been included within the film). The Romulans do blame Spock and the Federation for the destruction of Romulus without any real logic. I could accept that if they carried out their actions relatively quickly, but they just sit around for 25 years. Nero's whole crew is apparently cool with decades of inaction in the name of pointless retaliation. Might someone suggest that they take their super-advanced starship to Romulus in 2230-something and enhance the technology of the entire Romulan fleet? That might allow them to destroy the Federation, if that's their only goal. Or maybe some forewarning of the disaster to come might help Romulus.
Spock is marooned on Delta Vega in order to watch Vulcan's destruction? Which can be seen from far away?
And I really don't understand the Academy graduation-promotion process. Kirk, McCoy, and Uhura were all cadets on the cusp of graduating, and end up as half the command crew of the ship in the end, with Kirk, who was under investigation and guilty of court martial, being made captain. And at the end, we saw Sulu (at least Sulu, there may have been other people present whom I didn't catch) in the Academy hall in a cadet uniform, so was he a cadet as well? I suppose, maybe, with so many ships destroyed, that posting many fresh cadets to somewhat important posts is reasonable. But if that is really the case, you don't promote the experienced Pike to a desk; you instead leave him in command of all these unexperienced newbies. And you don't make the resident problem cadet the captain.
So yes, highly entertaining with a lot of promise for the future, but the plot does not bear close scrutiny.
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