Spoilers We now have Ship Class names for BotBS
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I couldn’t care less about Simon Pegg but his explanation is the only one that makes sense.
Really it gives them more creative wiggle room going forward. They don't need to worry about their Klingons' backstories syncing with Discovery's, for example (not that Discovery give a single fuck about their Klingons syncing with anything). Similarly, we can either pretend the USS Franklin didn't ever show up or help out during Enterprise (when they really could have used it) because [ultra convoluted reasons] or because it simply didn't exist in the ENT universe.
I loved X-Men: Days of Future Past. Logan totally ignores it, but I love Logan too. Really, it doesn't matter much. The Trek timeline is so irreparably fucked with time wars and crazy Romulans and temporal agents and Krenim temporal weapons and Q having a laugh that you can excuse anything that way. Maybe DSC is what passes for the Prime Universe in a post-temporal war universe. Maybe it's high tech ripples forward from the Kelvin incident bleeding through to the Prime Universe. Maybe Q sneezed. Maybe Benny Russell is going senile.
Or maybe it's just a TV show.
I loved X-Men: Days of Future Past. Logan totally ignores it, but I love Logan too. Really, it doesn't matter much. The Trek timeline is so irreparably fucked with time wars and crazy Romulans and temporal agents and Krenim temporal weapons and Q having a laugh that you can excuse anything that way. Maybe DSC is what passes for the Prime Universe in a post-temporal war universe. Maybe it's high tech ripples forward from the Kelvin incident bleeding through to the Prime Universe. Maybe Q sneezed. Maybe Benny Russell is going senile.
Or maybe it's just a TV show.
Yes they do
Unless you're talking about pre-2233 Klingon history, that's not a concern, since DSC is set in 2255, 22 years after the timelines diverge. DSC and Kelvin already conflict with regard to the Klingons, because Into Darkness is set in 2259 and portrays a Klingon war as something that may be looming but hasn't happened yet.
Neither is necessary. How could they have used it? It was an earlier prototype ship that was slower, smaller, and less powerful than NX-01. We know it was incorporated into the UFP Starfleet after the founding in 2161, but for all we know, it was sitting in mothballs during the 2150s when ENT took place. And the behind-the-scenes backstory for it is that it was a MACO ship, not Starfleet.
Really, it's much easier to reconcile the Franklin with ENT than it was to reconcile ENT with prior canon. Nothing in ENT ever explicitly said that a Warp 4 prototype ship didn't exist, but TNG made several references to Kirk's Enterprise being the first starship of the name.
As I said, that's the irony. Everyone mistakenly thinks Pegg invented the theory just because he was the one who popularized it, but Beyond is the Kelvin movie that needs it least, because it meshes pretty well with Prime history.
In my own personal canon the Franklin was the next step in the NX Project after Duval broke Warp 3 in the NX Delta. Once that milestone had been achieved Warp 4 was the next step in the process, and Starfleet decided to construct a small starship using the lessons learned from all the test flights of Robinson, Archer and Duval. The Franklin was the result, and was launched in 2147, breaking the Warp 4 barrier shortly thereafter. But structural and other design problems prevented the Franklin from being the first human space vessel to reach Henry Archer's goal of Warp 5 so the ship was put in drydock and plans for the first Warp 5 starship were altered ever slightly to result in the design we see in Enterprise NX-01 a few years later.
So, yeah, the Franklin fits in very well with both ENT canon and a common sense flow of warp development history in the 2140s. She was either left in drydock for years or mothballed until the Earth-Romulan War or the founding of the Federation, when she was recommissioned with a new name prefix and registry number.
So, yeah, the Franklin fits in very well with both ENT canon and a common sense flow of warp development history in the 2140s. She was either left in drydock for years or mothballed until the Earth-Romulan War or the founding of the Federation, when she was recommissioned with a new name prefix and registry number.
Well, whoever the hell came up with it, it's still just a theory. Hasn't been confirmed yet. So we're free to ignore it.
i mean you’re obviously free to ignore whatever you want to enjoy the franchise. but when the last writer to craft a story in that branch of the franchise states his intention, i think we need to accept it. at least until another writer comes along and says something different or the series proves otherwise.
Yeah, yeah, Pegg wrote STB, everybody knows that. But that doesn't mean anything. His opinions don't carry more weight simply because he may at one time have written a film.
If this theory actually turns up ONSCREEN, then of course, it becomes canon - but not until then. It didn't do it in STB (or any previous film), and it won't matter until it pops up in the next film (or the one after that). Until then, it doesn't exist.
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Basically, we already know the story - the next writer does not care what the last one thought. They never do. Quite to the contrary, the point of having the next writer is to throw out the old thinking, and that's what they do.
Which is separate from respecting what the previous writer wrote. Which Trek for some strange reason always does.
Timo Saloniemi
Which is separate from respecting what the previous writer wrote. Which Trek for some strange reason always does.
Timo Saloniemi
Last night's episode showed a wireframe graphic of the USS Defiant from "The Tholian Web"/"In a Mirror, Darkly," and it was a substantially different design from what we've seen before, with cutouts around the saucer and crook-angled nacelle struts. I could swear I've seen a fan design or something that resembles it.
Yeah I saw it. More interested when we see a full render over just a wireframe used for a panel shot, and I feel the design people are thinking about is Jason Lee's Battleship Enterprise.
Went ahead and messed around with a design that sticks to elements of the Defiant wireframe and cuts away what I presume are Terran additions to hopefully better show what I think a baseline Federation Connie in DSC looks like.
ah now that makes sense.
Hate to admit it but that does make some sense.
For me personally this USS Defiant wireframe looks a little like one of Eaves original NX-01 designs...
The nacelle pylons remind me a little of Mystic Spenny's (Spencer Perdriau's) Enterprise-A concept and of course Todd Guenther's Ingram-class (Odyssey-subclass) starship with its mega phasers in its pylons.
Yeah, that "battleship" design has the saucer cutouts, but not the crooked pylons.