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Spoilers We know now, when Guinan and Q met for the first time

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According to the latest episode of Star Trek Picard season 2, "Mercy", it was in 2024. While apparently the things responsible for both not liking each other happened after this date.
 
It isn't that simple. It's......timey wimey. They hadn't met for the first time in 2024, because they had met for the first time sometime way after 2024...until they met for the first time in 2024.

You follow me?

Yep, but at least about one thing we can be sure now, they haven't ever met before the 21st century ;)
 
Star Trek: Picard is set in a different universe from Star Trek: The Next Generation (A FAR SUPERIOR SERIES BTW). Different characters, different agendas but share the same names, how those revamped characters of Nu-Guinan and PICARD- Q met is only relevant to the nature of the streaming series but not Star Trek: The Next Generation. It is a laughable exercise to attempt to make whatever the showrunners are doing with PICARD and force continuity with a series which was a well oiled machine which spawned a whole new generation of Star Trek fans. PICARD loves nostalgia baiting to keep their streamers hooked on their very soulless narratives, but in the end the follies told there wont have any impact on how viewers perceive Star Trek: The Next Generation.
 
Star Trek: Picard is set in a different universe from Star Trek: The Next Generation (A FAR SUPERIOR SERIES BTW). Different characters, different agendas but share the same names, how those revamped characters of Nu-Guinan and PICARD- Q met is only relevant to the nature of the streaming series but not Star Trek: The Next Generation. It is a laughable exercise to attempt to make whatever the showrunners are doing with PICARD and force continuity with a series which was a well oiled machine which spawned a whole new generation of Star Trek fans. PICARD loves nostalgia baiting to keep their streamers hooked on their very soulless narratives, but in the end the follies told there wont have any impact on how viewers perceive Star Trek: The Next Generation.
nope. But thanks for playing.
 
Star Trek: Picard is set in a different universe from Star Trek: The Next Generation (A FAR SUPERIOR SERIES BTW). Different characters, different agendas but share the same names, how those revamped characters of Nu-Guinan and PICARD- Q met is only relevant to the nature of the streaming series but not Star Trek: The Next Generation. It is a laughable exercise to attempt to make whatever the showrunners are doing with PICARD and force continuity with a series which was a well oiled machine which spawned a whole new generation of Star Trek fans. PICARD loves nostalgia baiting to keep their streamers hooked on their very soulless narratives, but in the end the follies told there wont have any impact on how viewers perceive Star Trek: The Next Generation.
If all Trek-that-I-don't-like were set in a different universe, a bunch of your beloved TNG episodes would qualify. But as with any Trek (and any show in general), there's good & bad. But keep up your crusade against the Soulless Minions of Orthodoxy. :lol:
 
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It is not.

The YouTube Channel "Nitpicking Nerd" goes into lurid detail about the multiple universes trope, though a lot of it stems from the fact Q has Picard wandering in yet another alternate reality (as if the trope isn't deader than the primary ingredients in a pile in the corner of a glue factory. with next-door dog food processing plant...) From what I've seen with the mannerisms of the characters and how they sound more 21st century than 24th/25th, I'm not inclined to disagree with his claims either.

if nothing else, let the viewers decide if it's in the same universe or not. Since 2009, the option is a valid one. It was bad enough when TNG got all sledgehammer tropes in season 5 onward...
 
Shouldn't this be in the PICARD forum?

I made the thread here, because of the implications of this episode for "Time's Arrow". It shows that Guinan didn't knew Q when she met Picard & Co in the 19th century.

By the way, although i'm not sure because of the timey wimey nature of what happened between Picard and Guinan in 2024, it could also at least partly explain the comment by Guinan that she was going through a bad time when she met Picard for the first time... ;)
 
I made the thread here, because of the implications of this episode for "Time's Arrow". It shows that Guinan didn't knew Q when she met Picard & Co in the 19th century.

By the way, although i'm not sure because of the timey wimey nature of what happened between Picard and Guinan in 2024, it could also at least partly explain the comment by Guinan that she was going through a bad time when she met Picard for the first time... ;)

Thanks for mentioning "Time's Arrow"! :) Makes sense now, as does the temporal inconsistency/script discontinuity/both/other... :D
 
The YouTube Channel "Nitpicking Nerd" goes into lurid detail about the multiple universes trope, though a lot of it stems from the fact Q has Picard wandering in yet another alternate reality (as if the trope isn't deader than the primary ingredients in a pile in the corner of a glue factory. with next-door dog food processing plant...) From what I've seen with the mannerisms of the characters and how they sound more 21st century than 24th/25th, I'm not inclined to disagree with his claims either.

if nothing else, let the viewers decide if it's in the same universe or not. Since 2009, the option is a valid one. It was bad enough when TNG got all sledgehammer tropes in season 5 onward...
No. The viewer is free to think whatever wacky thing they want, but that doesn't grant them decision powers over this issue. Fanon has always existed, since TOS; it didn't suddenly spring into being in 2009.

And, YouTube Channel? Please.

Also, the jury is still out on whether it's Q who has Picard doing anything. Presumably we'll know how the alternate timeline(s) came to be in two more episodes.
 
The YouTube Channel "Nitpicking Nerd" goes into lurid detail about the multiple universes trope, though a lot of it stems from the fact Q has Picard wandering in yet another alternate reality (as if the trope isn't deader than the primary ingredients in a pile in the corner of a glue factory. with next-door dog food processing plant...) From what I've seen with the mannerisms of the characters and how they sound more 21st century than 24th/25th, I'm not inclined to disagree with his claims either.

if nothing else, let the viewers decide if it's in the same universe or not. Since 2009, the option is a valid one. It was bad enough when TNG got all sledgehammer tropes in season 5 onward...
Lost me at "You Tube"
 
According to Q Who, Guinan and Q had 'some dealings' 'two centuries ago', so that would have been in the 22nd century. I would speculate that it was at that time they began to dislike one another. That wasn't necessarily the first time they met, of course.
 
Star Trek: Picard is set in a different universe from Star Trek: The Next Generation (A FAR SUPERIOR SERIES BTW). Different characters, different agendas but share the same names, how those revamped characters of Nu-Guinan and PICARD- Q met is only relevant to the nature of the streaming series but not Star Trek: The Next Generation. It is a laughable exercise to attempt to make whatever the showrunners are doing with PICARD and force continuity with a series which was a well oiled machine which spawned a whole new generation of Star Trek fans. PICARD loves nostalgia baiting to keep their streamers hooked on their very soulless narratives, but in the end the follies told there wont have any impact on how viewers perceive Star Trek: The Next Generation.

Again with this and again you’re wrong. Something doesn’t become more true the more you shout about it.
 
So when this season is over are we suppose to think Guinan first meet Picard in 1893 or 2024? I think I know the one that most/many people will consider the first meeting no matter what they say on Picard.
 
So when this season is over are we suppose to think Guinan first meet Picard in 1893 or 2024? I think I know the one that most/many people will consider the first meeting no matter what they say on Picard.
Well, it'll be 1893 again once they restore the Federation future. Guinan in 2024 didn't recognize Picard because he'd never gone back in time to 1893 because he came from the Confederation future.
 
But why was Picard surprised she didn't know him? Also wouldn't she have spent decades feelings things were off like she was living in a altered timeline like she did in Yesterday's Enterprise?
 
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