Spoilers We know now, when Guinan and Q met for the first time
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Because his memories of meeting her weren't erased, only the actual meeting was.
It was implied in ST: Generations that she got those powers from being in the Nexus in 2294. So she didn't have that ability in 2024.
With the timeline restored, I have no doubt Guinan will remember both 19th century and 21st century meetings, thanks to her innate abilities and/or Nexus powers™. Hell, 25th century Guinan probably already did remember, she just couldn't tell JL yet.
Maybe even TNG Guinan, considering the comment about the hard times i mentioned...
From "Booby Trap":
"GUINAN: Maybe because a bald man was very kind to me once when I was hurting. Took care of me. "
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Given it appears your powers supersede those of TPTB at Paramount, might I put a few requests in?
De-canonize The Outrageous Okona.
Canonize the 'Captain Kirk climbing a mountain' video.
Thank you.
I've no idea how the Q and El Aurians had a "cold war" as Guinan describes in PIC. Even with the witch-like powers she's got in PIC, it's a god battling an ant. They must know of some major Q weakness.
Because it's not the same Guinan.
Whether TNG told its tale better, which THEY DID, does it really alter your opinion on what you accept as Picard's first encounter with Guinan? These newly streaming masterpieces will be forgotten because they don't hold any substance like what was seen on Star Trek: The Next Generation.I made the thread here, because of the implications of this episode for "Time's Arrow". It shows that Guinan didn't knew Q when she met Picard & Co in the 19th century.
By the way, although i'm not sure because of the timey wimey nature of what happened between Picard and Guinan in 2024, it could also at least partly explain the comment by Guinan that she was going through a bad time when she met Picard for the first time...
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It is.
What she told Geordie in "Booby Trap" kinda proofs it. Think Guinan during TNG actually has both sets of memories about when she met Jean Luc for the first time...
Forcing the cylinder into a squared shape. If it doesn't fit, try it anyway, and make it fit.
Maybe El Aurians simply can't be altered or killed by Q's abbilities. Hence needing to put some Borg Cubes in their backyard
From what we know right now, this is not necessarily how events unfold in the timeline when the events in "Time's Arrow" occur.
Given your knowledge of the future, could you tell me next weeks lottery numbers?
Yep, but the thing about Guinan having met Q only after the 21st century won't change. As it was the case before the Prime Universe turned into the Confederation timeline, for the lack of better words to describe what happened. Considering the way he reacted to Guinan and what he said.
So 19th century Guinan in "Time's Arrow" was in fact "Q-less" about him
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Not watching Picard, did they explain why he was afraid of her doing jazz hands or whatever it was in that episode?
Guinan mentions that El Aurians being in a cold war with the Q Continuum. However that works.
We also see her making this hand gesture again
I still like to think her perception was enhanced by her being partly in the nexus, but Picard makes it clear that it's a natural El Aurian trait.
It doesn't seem to be so much fear of the gesture as surprise at seeing her. When she does it in Picard she's trying to sense Q's approach, implying it wasn't defensive in TNG, she was just checking him out; verifying his identity and trying to ascertain his intentions.
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That was just El Aurian middle fingers
Agreed. This was set up in another timeline, in a show where it can be argued that it is in another timeline. Continuity mistakes and/or script sloppiness add credibility into those claims, but the youtube channel Nitpicking Nerd goes into far more detail on all this. And, at least from what I'd seen so far, he's not mentioned the same group of people whose channels I ditched a long time ago.
Agreed, though I still put a lot of PIC/season-2 above the 1996 movie STFC... (IMHO, YMMV.)
Time will tell. Some will remember, but not as many and not as many in the same span of time later. If more people remember PIC now in 2052 just as well as compared to how people in 2022 remember 1990's TNG (or 1960s TOS in 1990!), I'd be a bit surprised. If I were to guess, I'd agree that you're still correct. Then again, polls aren't always right...
I actually put BOTH seasons of PICARD above "First Contact" a movie which cemented my belief TNG movies were set in a different universe because none of what was established made any common sense or correlated with Star Trek: The Next Generation.
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