Personal opinion are something, but my response was to the original poster about the general success of the show. I think Berman's record speak for itself. Still, new blood is more than welcome. The new movie was good and appropriate at this time. I wish Star Trek keeps its edge as far as intelligent sci-fi adventure goes in the future. Star Trek is more than just blockbuster material imo.
We Bitched & Moaned About Berman, But Abrams Just As Bad In A Way?
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Personal opinion are something, but my response was to the original poster about the general success of the show. I think Berman's record speak for itself. Still, new blood is more than welcome. The new movie was good and appropriate at this time. I wish Star Trek keeps its edge as far as intelligent sci-fi adventure goes in the future. Star Trek is more than just blockbuster material imo.
This movie wasn't perfect, not by a long shot, but neither was TOS. And like I've said before, any new Trek is better than no new Trek.
I win!
You do also realize the main Reason Voyager and Enterprise lasted so long was because of the fledgling UPN (which merged with WB to become CW later) Network and the fact that UPN really had nothing else to put on. Trek was UPN's Flagship show, it was there baby and sometimes you don't believe your child is as bad as everyone is telling you.
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Bad mother UPN and her delinquent son Star Trek..
Wasn't that Ron Moore?
I don't think UPN was bad. I mean season for of ENT was good, and I HATE Enterprise. I think that there really wasn't much left for the writers to explore because they had a list of do's and don'ts a mile long that they had to adhere to. UPN had nothing to replace the shows, and it was something they didn't have to buy because it was produced in house, and even if the ratings were falling it had a built in audiance. Truthfully none of UPN's shows were doing very well before the merger (other than WWE Smackdown, go figure) and to be a television network you have to have TV Shows. CW had less of a risk because they grabbed alot of shows from both networks and kept the best. (Which even on WB wasn't alot) I'm not a big fan of Berman because he felt beholden to what came before to the detriment of the show. Enterprise had potention the Final Season showed that. In a Mirror Darkly was one of it's strongest stories, it was just a final death rattle before the doctors put the sheet over it's head.
When you are afraid to innovate because it may piss of your fans then you really underestimate the intelligence of those fans. Most fans (We aren't counting Purists) would have rallied around trek if they had been producing good stories (The original series letter campaign proves this) But nearing the end of Trek's first life the stories were stagnant, rehashed and stale. It was a multitude of factors that ended Television Trek as we know it. It became time for a change and Abrams was given the stick. Are their problems with this new movie? Hell yes. Do they KILL TREK as some of the more vocal fans say. NO, as long as there are fans Trek will never be dead. Hell we the fans have kept it alive during a time when all we had were 79 original episodes being broadcast on stations all across the world, sometimes late at night. Sometimes these channels were Public Television as they ran the show in a block sandwhiched between Dr. Who, and the Prisoner. Even then the show was not above critisizm, and it's no different now.
I don't hate Berman as much as I used to, but I see what he did wrong, and I'm not going to give him a pass just because I'm a Trek fan. In fact that exactly why I used to want to punch him right in the face. Some of us saw this coming, because we know Trek was never the little details, details that changed on the whim of the writers when the original series first aired. It wasn't the FASA Material that allowed people to role-play as a Trek Character. It wasn't the encyclopedia and the Tech Manuals that explained in technobabble how a dilithium chamber worked. At the base Trek is the story and the characters, and the spirit of optimisim that mankind can be better, not Weak and foppish, but better.
That's what Berman forgot about Trek and that's why there are people like me who are glad he no longer has anything to do with the Franchise.
If Abrams goes down that path, I will reserve the same vitriol for him too. Because it is the stories and the characters that are important, and that optimistic spirit that mankind can be better, can be strong with out being malicious, and can do wonderful things when we all band together.
When you are afraid to innovate because it may piss of your fans then you really underestimate the intelligence of those fans. Most fans (We aren't counting Purists) would have rallied around trek if they had been producing good stories (The original series letter campaign proves this) But nearing the end of Trek's first life the stories were stagnant, rehashed and stale. It was a multitude of factors that ended Television Trek as we know it. It became time for a change and Abrams was given the stick. Are their problems with this new movie? Hell yes. Do they KILL TREK as some of the more vocal fans say. NO, as long as there are fans Trek will never be dead. Hell we the fans have kept it alive during a time when all we had were 79 original episodes being broadcast on stations all across the world, sometimes late at night. Sometimes these channels were Public Television as they ran the show in a block sandwhiched between Dr. Who, and the Prisoner. Even then the show was not above critisizm, and it's no different now.
I don't hate Berman as much as I used to, but I see what he did wrong, and I'm not going to give him a pass just because I'm a Trek fan. In fact that exactly why I used to want to punch him right in the face. Some of us saw this coming, because we know Trek was never the little details, details that changed on the whim of the writers when the original series first aired. It wasn't the FASA Material that allowed people to role-play as a Trek Character. It wasn't the encyclopedia and the Tech Manuals that explained in technobabble how a dilithium chamber worked. At the base Trek is the story and the characters, and the spirit of optimisim that mankind can be better, not Weak and foppish, but better.
That's what Berman forgot about Trek and that's why there are people like me who are glad he no longer has anything to do with the Franchise.
If Abrams goes down that path, I will reserve the same vitriol for him too. Because it is the stories and the characters that are important, and that optimistic spirit that mankind can be better, can be strong with out being malicious, and can do wonderful things when we all band together.
I would argue with the idea that anything new is better than nothing. I have no problem with nothing. I went through a lot of nothing back in the 70s and it not only didn't kill me or Trek, it was the period in which the legendary status of Trek was allowed to grow in the imaginations of the audience precisely because there was nothing.
I don't follow this belief that franchises must continue pumping out sequels forever. Spooling out tales in perpetuity just for the sake of having new material, with no regard to quality, seems quite odd - unless you're the producers looking to milk a cash cow. And, while it's nice to see a spiffy-looking new Trek, I feel no need to rhapsodize about it when it was merely dumb fun. If TOS had been nothing except the Trouble with Tribbles, I sincerely doubt it would have generated the interest it did, so shrugging off this film's shortcomings by saying TOS occasionally also had an episode which was merely dumb fun - well, there we are back at those ankle-high expectations.
Regardless, my initial quibble was just with the word 'exciting' to describe this movie. The first half was exciting, the second half was eye-rollingly silly and predictable and anything but exciting. In my humble opinion of course.
We all live in Abram's timeline. There is no escape. You're trapped here forever. Mwahahaha.
We all live in Abram's timeline. There is no escape. You're trapped here forever. Mwahahaha.
Ok for the current timeline. Its all good. But you should know about the new Star Trek TV series in preparation with the 29th Federation Timeship Relativity which have the mission of protecting and restoring the timeline.
Star Trek Relativity Pilot synopsis:
1x01: "The Federation Relativity has for its first official mission to correct the timeline changed by a Romulan mining vessel led by Nero (of the Romulan colony J'abrams)"
I like Star Trek. I would rather there be new Trek instead of just reruns. I watched Trek in all it's incarnations, some good, some so-so, some bad. But I still watched, as most of us did I suspect. Even though some was bad there was always enough good to justify watching. Even Enterprise had episodes that made it worthwhile. As for new Trek movies, this one was dumb but fun. Maybe the next one will be better, maybe it will be worse, but we'll all probably still watch.
We all live in Abram's timeline. There is no escape. You're trapped here forever. Mwahahaha.
Ok for the current timeline. Its all good. But you should know about the new Star Trek TV series in preparation with the 29th Federation Timeship Relativity which have the mission of protecting and restoring the timeline.
Star Trek Relativity Pilot synopsis:
1x01: "The Federation Relativity has for its first official mission to correct the timeline changed by a Romulan mining vessel led by Nero (of the Romulan colony J'abrams)"
You're right. How could I have been so blind? Damn.
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