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We Are The Universe

You're still trying to take "energy cannot be destroyed" and make it mean something out of context. This time you're equating "energy cannot be destroyed" with "information cannot be destroyed." Nothing says that!

The actual Law of Conservation of Energy says "energy can be neither created nor destroyed, but can change from one form to another."

Take the words INTO DARKNESS, for example. Those same letters can be displayed as TNIO RKSNADSE. The letters are all still there. No letters were created or destroyed ... just changed from one form to another.

So, do they carry the same information? Has anything been lost?

ok you make good points.
 
Even if consciousness is some quantifiable energy pattern, it's still contained within the brain. It doesn't leave when you die. It dies right along with you and stays inside your head. The only place it's going is into the ground.

Look at it like this. An Atom, even subatomic particles do what they're supposed to do, it's like they are programmed for a specific tasks, programmed to react the way they do. What is this information? how is it stored? how does this information cause a particle do what it does?
An electron acts differently to a proton, the only reason this can be is if information/coding is telling it to act differently.
Now a particle doesn't have a brain so information for a particle doesn't constitute a brain. On an energy level information is stored differently.
If the universe is one big information cloud then all information is stored throughout all of it.

Just like every cell in your body has the same DNA/information in it, but each cell becomes something different. So you could say that every particle has some kind of DNA database which tells everything what to do and all information is contained within every single particle. Like a fractal I guess.

I do get what you're trying to say. I just don't know how to argue against it because, to me, it's so clearly false.

Your thoughts imply that the universe has intention, and it just screams "Omnipotent Creator" when I read it.
 
Unless we're the beta test, of course.

Mind = TOTALLY BLOWN.

Now THERE is one HELL of a thought...Beta test...wow

INTO, do not lament...I think you started one heck of an interesting thread conversation...all of you who posted have some pretty interesting and seemingly informed things to say...I would like to think our "essence", the literal fiber of our being exists in some form after the show is over...not in a religious sense, but in some form of quantum "return to the factory" way that can be added to this magnificence we call the Universe...ole' Carl said it best, IMHO:

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
 
Energy can take many forms, and matter is just compacted energy. But matter can also have unbalanced energetic charges, such as magnetism and electricity, and after having devoted several seconds of deep thought to the idea, I've realized that my body is made up of nothing but powerful attractiveness and pure sexual energy, condensed into organic form. This new insight into theoretical physics might explain why I'm just too sexy for my body, and why I'm presently reinforcing the boards over my windows to keep the legions of doe-eyed super models at bay. It's just basic quantum level physics.
 
Unless we're the beta test, of course.

Mind = TOTALLY BLOWN.

Now THERE is one HELL of a thought...Beta test...wow

INTO, do not lament...I think you started one heck of an interesting thread conversation...all of you who posted have some pretty interesting and seemingly informed things to say...I would like to think our "essence", the literal fiber of our being exists in some form after the show is over...not in a religious sense, but in some form of quantum "return to the factory" way that can be added to this magnificence we call the Universe...ole' Carl said it best, IMHO:

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Yeah, I just pooped out the remains of a steak, and the cow had thought the same thing. I praised the tenderness of the fiber of his being, sang his spirit song to Carl Sagan, wiped my butt, and popped the top off another beer, giving praise to Ninkasa the Sumerian beer goddess, along with the cute poofy god of soft squeezable toilet paper.

Religious epiphanies have their ups and down like that.
 
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Sure it is. You can say we have not found the evidence yet, but if there is something that is measurable, which energy usually is, the absence of any evidence can be taken as evidence of absence.

Otherwise: hello, invisible pink unicorns! :)

How about this one: That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.
 
Mind = TOTALLY BLOWN.

Now THERE is one HELL of a thought...Beta test...wow

INTO, do not lament...I think you started one heck of an interesting thread conversation...all of you who posted have some pretty interesting and seemingly informed things to say...I would like to think our "essence", the literal fiber of our being exists in some form after the show is over...not in a religious sense, but in some form of quantum "return to the factory" way that can be added to this magnificence we call the Universe...ole' Carl said it best, IMHO:

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Yeah, I just pooped out the remains of a steak, and the cow had thought the same thing. I praised the tenderness of the fiber of his being, sang his spirit song to Carl Sagan, wiped my butt, and popped the top off another beer, giving praise to Ninkasa the Sumerian beer goddess, along with the cute poofy god of soft squeezable toilet paper.

Religious epiphanies have their ups and down like that.

...and to think that there are some that would merely call that "Dinner and a Dump"!...ha! :lol:
 
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Sure it is. You can say we have not found the evidence yet, but if there is something that is measurable, which energy usually is, the absence of any evidence can be taken as evidence of absence.

Otherwise: hello, invisible pink unicorns! :)

How about this one: That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.


Pink Unicorns?...hmmm...think I might have seen one or two of those back in the college days... :lol: :techman:

I like your quote! Good one!...as I said in my post, mine was a quote from Carl Sagan...I just liked it because it kind of says that we have not uncovered it all yet... :)
 
I understand what you are trying to say, Into Darkness, about matter consisting of energy.
I recently read about the Copenhagen Window, which says that we can (theoretically) foresee every possibility of people's actions that could happen in the next few seconds and thus what the immediate future could be. You could assign probabilities to each potential outcome and choose the one you would prefer or the most likely one.
So, in that sense, you might say we are the universe, determining what the past was, what the present is and what the near-future will be.
 
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