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Deathstroke is very much a nice foil to Batman, but I would like something along the lines of Black Mask too. Or perhaps Hugo Strange. I'd like to see Batman actually have to do some detective work in a movie. For example, I always thought Seven could have been a great Batman movie. If Deathstroke appears, I would hope that there is some mystery involved with another villain working behind the scenes. Deathstroke is an assassin FOR HIRE after all.
 
theenglish said:
Deathstroke is very much a nice foil to Batman, but I would like something along the lines of Black Mask too.
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He's not a character I'm very familiar with. I only know him from the versions in animation (and in Gotham, sort of), and none of those have impressed me.
 
eyeresist said:
I know. That was the joke. Having two characters with almost identical names and M.O.s seems pretty redundant.
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Deadshot and Deathstroke aren't very similar. They're both mercenaries, and Deathstroke does act as an assassin at times, but Deadshot is more of a marksman assassin and Deathstroke does a bunch of varied mercenary work that's not all "shot someone from long range". They're also very different as characters, with different personalities, backstories, and ways of operating. Deathstroke also has some superpowers (although what they exactly are varies, I think at one point it was the "He can use 90% of his brain" thing, which was stupid). Really, Deathstroke and Deadshot are fairly different, its like comparing Deadshot to Deadpool (or Deathstroke to modern Deadpool, now that I think about it).
 
Christopher said:
No, Will Smith is Deadshot (Floyd Lawton), not Deathstroke (Slade Wilson). It is pretty easy to confuse them.
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Skywalker said:
Also not to be confused with Deadpool (Wade Wilson--uh, no relation).
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eyeresist said:
I know. That was the joke. Having two characters with almost identical names and M.O.s seems pretty redundant.
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Lols.
So many people with Death or Dead in their names, and Slade hates them all.

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Earth 3 Slade. He's never named, but he's obviously meant to resemble Deadpool. I wouldn't even call it satire or parodying, because Deadpool himself is a parody of Deathstroke. Haha.
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Christopher said:
No, Will Smith is Deadshot (Floyd Lawton), not Deathstroke (Slade Wilson). It is pretty easy to confuse them.
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Can't you see, his eye is on the left and mine is on the right!



Though I think they swapped sides in the movies, all you pedants out to ruin my Battlefield joke.
 
M.A.C.O. said:
...Deadpool himself is a parody of Deathstroke.
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That's apparently a myth, or at least that's not how it started out. This was covered in a Comic Book Legends Revealed column at CBR some years back, but their recent site redesign has rendered the archives inaccessible, so here's the Google cache page. Apparently Rob Leifeld didn't intentionally create the character to be a Deathstroke knockoff -- he owed more to Boba Fett and Dirty Harry (specifically the movie The Dead Pool), and visually was largely based on Spider-Man -- and he wasn't initially a parody character, more just a conventional mercenary/killer who made Dirty Harry-esque wisecracks. He eventually gained the first name Wade, and once Leifeld left the title, writer Fabian Nicieza decided to take him in a more comical direction and gave him the Wilson surname as a private joke about the apparently accidental similarities to Deathstroke.
 
Christopher said:
That's apparently a myth, or at least that's not how it started out. This was covered in a Comic Book Legends Revealed column at CBR some years back, but their recent site redesign has rendered the archives inaccessible, so here's the Google cache page. Apparently Rob Leifeld didn't intentionally create the character to be a Deathstroke knockoff -- he owed more to Boba Fett and Dirty Harry (specifically the movie The Dead Pool), and visually was largely based on Spider-Man -- and he wasn't initially a parody character, more just a conventional mercenary/killer who made Dirty Harry-esque wisecracks. He eventually gained the first name Wade, and once Leifeld left the title, writer Fabian Nicieza decided to take him in a more comical direction and gave him the Wilson surname as a private joke about the apparently accidental similarities to Deathstroke.
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Informative as ever, Christopher. I never heard about that. Granted, I never read Liefeld's original Deadpool, but I am familiar with Nicizea and Joe Kelly's writing of the character. By then, Deadpool was differently a more comedic character and satire of the superhero genre. Funny how things shake out. Thanks for the info.

I do enjoy that Marvel and DC used to poke fun at each other over Slade and Wade's similarities.

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I hope the tone of the comic-con footage is just to appease the people who disliked BvS and not indicative of the overall tone. I'm not saying I want another darkly grim film, but I hope they didn't overreact to some of the negative criticism and completely go in the other direction, I'd be kind of disappointed if that were the case.
 
Christopher said:
Apparently Rob Leifeld didn't intentionally create the character to be a Deathstroke knockoff…
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Are we talking about the same Rob Liefeld? The man who 'created' the character "Agent America" after he left Marvel's Captain America and before obtaining the rights of Kirby's Fighting American? Oh, there's nothing "accidental" about Liefeld's 'creations'! (Another Agent America ad)


As Wikipedia states "Liefeld, a fan of the Teen Titans comics, showed his new character to then-writer Fabian Nicieza. Upon seeing the costume and noting his characteristics (killer with super agility), Nicieza contacted Liefeld, saying "this is Deathstroke from Teen Titans". Nicieza gave Deadpool the real name of "Wade Wilson" as an inside-joke to being "related" to "Slade Wilson", Deathstroke."

So indeed it was Nicieza who gave Deadpool the name "Wilson" after he obviously recognized Deathstroke in Liefeld's Deadpool 'creation'. Nicieza's joke was on Liefeld of course.
 
Captain of the USS Averof said:
Are we talking about the same Rob Liefeld? The man who 'created' the character "Agent America" after he left Marvel's Captain America and before obtaining the rights of Kirby's Fighting American? Oh, there's nothing "accidental" about Liefeld's 'creations'! (Another Agent America ad)
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In the article I linked to before, Brian Cronin says the following:
Liefeld wears his influences so proudly on his sleeves that I tend to believe him when he says that he WASN’T thinking Deathstroke. What does he possibly gain by saying, “Yeah, I based him on Spider-Man, Wolverine and Boba Fett, oh and the title of a Dirty Harry movie…but definitely not on Deathstroke! THAT would be too much.”
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In other words, it doesn't make sense to deny you were copying one thing by claiming you were copying several other things.

And I can totally believe that someone as unoriginal as Liefeld, in the course of basing a character on several conscious influences, might also be unconsciously influenced by something else along the way. Maybe there were just so many different influences that he overlooked one in the clutter.
 
Liefeld was a comic fanboy who made it big, but his creations were all very typical fanboy tweaks of pre-existing creations. Deadpool is Spiderman with Wolverine powers. That's fairly typical of all his stuff.
 
JD said:
How was he able to get away with those characters without getting sued?
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He actually did get sued by Marvel because his version of Fighting American was too close to Captain America (he gave the character a shield, which I'm pretty sure the character threw). As part of a settlement with Marvel, his version of Fighting American was no longer allowed to use the shield as a weapon (meaning he couldn't use it like Cap uses his shield). So, Liefeld has gotten in trouble at least once for ripping things off.
 
ancient said:
Deadpool is Spiderman with Wolverine powers.
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…and Deathstroke's costume, weapons, abilities and profession. Oh yeah, and his last name.

JD said:
How as he able to get away with those characters without getting sued?
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Oh he has been sued alright. "In early 1997, the company [Marvel], which had filed for bankruptcy, asked Liefeld to accept lower payment for his studio's work. He refused and was removed from the series. Liefeld called Fighting American co-creator Joe Simon and Roz Kirby, widow of co-creator Jack Kirby, who agreed to license the character to him, but at a price Liefeld would not accept. Liefeld created the similar character Agent America, drawing "maybe three pinups and one poster image", but withdrew the character, he said, when Simon threatened to sue. Liefeld negotiated a new deal for Fighting American, but was then sued by Marvel. During the course of the trial, he said, his version of Fighting American acquired a shield. As one of the terms of the settlement, however, Fighting American was forbidden from throwing his shield like a weapon, to distinguish him from Captain America."

http://comicsofrhodey.blogspot.gr/2009/05/rob-liefelds-hackery-continued-agent.html?m=1

http://jimsmash.blogspot.gr/2010/06/steve-rogers-secret-soldier-uniform.html?m=1
 
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