"Failure" is often synonymous with "I don't like it and hope it stops getting made to make way for more preferred Trek."
News WB/Paramount merger talks
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Bit of an aside, but I saw this morning that Paramount has pulled all of the non-Kelvin movies off of Paramount+, and has licensed them to be back on Netflix and/or Max.
This seems the start of the unwinding into being another Sony - just a content provider for other services.
This seems the start of the unwinding into being another Sony - just a content provider for other services.
This has happened before with Paramount+. It's a cyclical thing, IMO. In time, they'll be back on Paramount+ and the Kelvin movies will be gone and licensed to someone else.
You bring up an interesting point. Back in 2017, CBS and Paramount were separate companies, and CBS didn't want the audience to think their new show was linked to the Kelvin timeline films. Hence their stance that DSC took place in the 'prime' timeline, which was only meant to distinguish it from the KT, not that it had anything to do with the show looking and feeling like TOS.
So when DSC premiered, and looked and felt exactly zero like the show it was supposedly meant to take place ten years before, it was difficult for me to reconcile the huge inconsistencies between DSC and TOS, to the point where I feel that the 'Discoverse' is its own thing. But I see now that CBS probably wanted the show to look nothing like the Abrams films, with the side effect of also making it look nothing like TOS. The producers obviously realized later how much of a mistake that was, and have since gone out of their way to make SNW look and feel more like TOS (or at least an updated version of TOS for the 21st century viewing audience.)
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Yeah I'll pass on that one... why get into an online debate about something I don't remember in detail from 18 months ago? I'd find it far more productive to revisit, say, PICARD season 1 now knowing how that series ended up, and what a potential Legacy could pull from it or do more papering over...
Even Rick Berman was out from a studio regime change, so this is totally a fair question to speculate about. It's already been established that in the mid 2010's Kurtzman and Orci had some kind of Star Trek TV license. If that's tied to Bad Robot, and WBD takes over, Zaslav could oust Kurtzman just for being connected with JJ Abrams. If Skydance takes over, and Tom Cruise has beef with Kurtzman over how The Mummy went down, he could again be out just for that.
If Kurtzman was out.. who could be in?
Diva behavior to the extreme ("I won't work for you if Alex Kurtzman is still producing Star Trek!"
)Tom Cruise has nothing to do with Trek. Why would Trek concern him?
Rick Berman was fired because Enterprise was declining in the ratings and Star Trek: Nemesis had bombed three years before.
He was fired because Trek was losing money under him. He had been there eighteen years and it was time for a change. Period.
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Almost everyone in the entertainment industry have some degree of diva behavior. Lots of egos there.Diva behavior to the extreme ("I won't work for you if Alex Kurtzman is still producing Star Trek!"
Tom Cruise has nothing to do with Trek. Why would Trek concern him?
The Earth-Romulan War script by THE BAND OF BROTHERS guy was commissioned by Rick Berman and the film studio circa 2006. So there isn't a direct jump from ENT and ST09.
I don't understand ...
Tom Cruise is 61 years old. He's no longer the strapping young stud that he was back in the 80's. He doesn't need the bad publicity that getting Alex Kurtzman fired would cause.
Hollywood has no tolerance for divas (Roseanne got fired from her own show for engaging in bad behavior). Everything is corporate now.
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Again, it was a hypothetical to show just how contingent and tenuous everyone's positions in that industry is. Any time there's a change in control and that trickeles down the organization chart, anything could happen. Hell Kurtzman could have smugly taken someone with a long memory's parking spot at Trader Joe's years ago... It's more "high school" than high school.Tom Cruise is 61 years old. He's no longer the strapping young stud that he was back in the 80's. He doesn't need the bad publicity that getting Alex Kurtzman fired would cause.
Hollywood has no tolerance for divas (Roseanne got fired from her own show!). Everything is corporate now.
Just that Berman wasn't immediately out after ENT.I don't understand ...
It's always been that way.
Though, I think that Kurtzman has been rumored to having been fired more than anyone in Trek's past
It's always been that way.
Though, I think that Kurtzman has been rumored to having been fired more than anyone in Trek's past
I don't know what a certain segment of the fandom are going to do with themselves the day Kurtzman actually does leave Star Trek. The man has been living rent free in their heads for so long that it'll probably trigger an existential crisis.
That's why if the WB merger happens Zaslav will become the new hate punching bag. There has to be one.
It's an unwritten rule of Star Trek fandom I feel like.
I look forward to the fandom reminiscing about the good old days of Kurtzman Trek.
I do as well.
Though, and this surprises me, they don't give that latitude to Abrams as much. He's still mocked and derided at random. Though, I guess Berman is too so maybe that isn't surprising.
Oh, they'll always be a few who feel that anything that wasn't touched by the hand of Roddenberry himself, isn't worthy of the name Star Trek.
They'll moan on and on about "Gene's vision," followed by some joke about lens flares, about how so and such doesn't understand the character of Spock, bla bla bla.
There's no living with those people...
It's not like he covered himself with glory in what he did with Star Wars. I don't know who sings his praises now.
I do.
So do I. He made the only Trek film that my wife has ever enjoyed. She occasionally still watches it with me.
No small feat.
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