ways to beat the kobayashi maru without cheating
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I wonder... Kirk didn't need to pass the test, because this was his third try and the first already counted. What should make us think his third try would be "sanctioned"? For all we know, Kirk got a commendation and fifty demerits, but this didn't really affect his already done-deal graduation one way or another.
Timo Saloniemi
Timo Saloniemi
I've never heard of anyone getting a commendation for a test they flunked.
It wasn't a test, though - it was a hobby project the instructors let Kirk conduct for whatever reason. And there's no "flunking" with the no-win scenario: you automatically pass on the first try, so doing it better or worse doesn't help or hinder.
Kirk's achievement wasn't that he "passed" the scenario, but that he "beat" it. And he never denies the accusation that he cheated to achieve that.
Timo Saloniemi
Kirk's achievement wasn't that he "passed" the scenario, but that he "beat" it. And he never denies the accusation that he cheated to achieve that.
Timo Saloniemi
Except that in that context it wasn't really a cheat. It was finding a solution to a heretofore unsolved problem.
How is that not a cheat? The problem wasn't supposed to be solved; the program was not supposed to be tampered with. So Kirk both cheated and failed to achieve anything of worth.
Save, of course, for the commendation and a few chuckles from the Admirals, because there was no real harm in patting Kirk in the back for this meaningless and consequence-free act. Sure, he was a cheater, but he was already proven to be Right Stuff.
Timo Saloniemi
Save, of course, for the commendation and a few chuckles from the Admirals, because there was no real harm in patting Kirk in the back for this meaningless and consequence-free act. Sure, he was a cheater, but he was already proven to be Right Stuff.
Timo Saloniemi
I wonder if there's a kobayashi maru ride now at some 24th century theme park?
If they ever build a Star Trek theme park, I am sure it will be one of the most prominent attractions.
I don't see how they could ignore the man that saved Earth from annihilation by the whale probe. It would be like us not knowing who say... Churchill was, or Pasteur or Gandhi...
People on Earth might. By the 23rd century, expecting everyone to know Kirk would be like expecting everyone to know who your particular (small) country of origin's patron saint or first president was.
Back to original question. Send a probe into the area to both confirm ship status and scout for enemy ships. Only risk main ship if you think it’s there and the area is clear.
Likely the Klingons will fool the probe. So send a series of empty shuttles remotely piloted to beam out folks. Runabouts would do nicely. If no ship - you know. If the Klingons destroy them - you know. If the Klingons allow rescue and follow them back - well they could have done that to begin with.
Likely the Klingons will fool the probe. So send a series of empty shuttles remotely piloted to beam out folks. Runabouts would do nicely. If no ship - you know. If the Klingons destroy them - you know. If the Klingons allow rescue and follow them back - well they could have done that to begin with.
I disagree. Just as everyone knows Neil Armstrong for being the first man to walk on the Moon, regardless of their own nationality. Everyone would know the man who saved the Earth from annihilation. I mean, it's so huge, it's impossible not to know it. Apart from maybe people still living in primitive conditions, EVERYONE knows that man walked on the Moon. It's not a patron saint or whatever. It's a thing concerning the entire planet. It seems so obvious to me that Kirk would be known by everyone on Earth for centuries that I didn't expect someday to have this debate.
My facts are uncoordinated. My first thought was "Gee, look at how important Spock said Zephram Cochrane was." Then I thought "Well, maybe it was because HE save the Earth?" But then I went back to "Naaah, Spock was all about 'Discoverer of the Space Warp and stuff!"
As a simulation? Dunno. IRL? Riker or Wesley would have handled it while Picard had some personal problem or deciphered some hieroglyphs.
Yes, on Earth. I could easily imagine somebody living on some (not too) isolated colony to have never heard of Kirk. Or to be vaguely familiar that the event happened but not remember Kirk's name, or perhaps the year. If you've ever seen a video of random people on the street being asked historical questions most people assume everyone knows the answer to, only to have those quizzed answer incorrectly or be unable to give any answer at all, you know that there are still people who are either ignorant or can't recall these things, having learned them before or not.
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The Klingons mass on their side of the Neutral Zone and taunt you, firing torpedo duds until you respond to the incessant banging on your hull.
The Klingons seem to know Kirk very well.
Another thing you do is send shuttles armed with chemical weapons or nukes towards any klingon colony. Tell the Klingon in charge they have to let them rescure the Maru or one their colonies will be destroyed. They only have 3 ships so they could not possibly destroy all the shuttles and Ent by themselves. Jason
