Been there done that. TOS and TNG are full of "contradictions". No big deal. Fiction is mutable. Call me when something actually important is contradicted.
Ways that SNW actually improved TOS
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The amateur acting just can't overcome any sort of attention to deal in the sets.
Yeah. And some effects are wonky too and it's difficult to overcome to enjoy.
the PU has never been rebooted though
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Nope, Enterprise was a prequel, any timeline changes in Enterprise lead to the timeline as it was seen in SNW,TOS,TNG,DS9,VOY.
The events of First Contact were a paradox, this was confirmed in Voyager. So unless Voyager is also in an alternate timeline, Enterprise isn't. The Borg episode in ENT Season 2 also lead to the events of TNG The Neutral Zone happening.
And almost every detail of the 20th century established in TOS has been contradicted by TNG, DS9 and Voyager.
Star Trek canon/continuity is not immutable, it's not real history. Things are allowed to be changed without explanation.
Every pre-Kurtzman series has changed/contradicted something else in canon. The series even contradict themselves at times.
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That's true, of course, since it's fiction. A change in the way the story depicts its universe doesn't mean the universe has changed, just that the way it's presented to us has been refined, so that the earlier version can be presumed to have been an inaccurate account.
But it's worth noting that SNW: "Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow" made it canonical that Temporal Cold War factions have rewritten 20th- and 21st-century history from the way it was in TOS, where the Eugenics Wars happened in the 1990s, to a timeline more like the present, where Khan is still a child in the early 2020s. Yet the assumption is that eventually the timelines more or less converge again so that the 23rd century and beyond remain pretty much the same. Still, it opens the door for more departures from continuity if future writers wish it. Trek has never needed a time-travel excuse for its continuity changes, you're right about that. But it does now have one.
I think it might be a one off and made for a good story.
I'm not trying to predict the future or review the episode. I'm merely pointing out, in the interests of thoroughness, that there has been a recent instance where Trek did overtly use a time-travel plot to explain a continuity change, even though it usually hasn't in the past. Much like how Enterprise used genetic engineering to explain one change in the Klingons' appearance even though the many other changes in the makeup design of Klingons and other aliens have gone unexplained. Different storytellers make different choices.
The Augments may have time traveled back to the 1990s or had their growth sped up.
Yeah, I got that impression. Perhaps the makers of the movie didn't get the memo about what SNW was doing. Despite the desire of some people to blame Kurtzman for everything they don't like, there are a lot of cooks working in multiple different kitchens, and one person can't micromanage every detail, so different teams working in parallel won't always manage to get their stories perfectly straight.
In the "original" timeline it probably wouldn't have been there at all since it launched three weeks early to handle the Broken Bow incident since without the temporal cold war there's no Suliban Cabal. A later launch and a different first mission could result in the NX-01 missing the Great Plume entirely if they decide to start exploring down a different route.
either way, it fits my idea of layered rewrites changing the original intention and form of the history and timeline. thats a little deeper into thought than i had given it, but it still makes most of my points. thank you for the extra insight and context. two thumbs up.
I'm confused on Empress is in the mid-later 23rd century when she was transported back to the MU?
The movie is set in the early 24th century Prime Universe, there's a character in the movie who's from the 20th century
When she went through the Guardian of Forever in DSC Season 3, it was never said where she was going, only that it was the past
When she went through the Guardian of Forever in DSC Season 3, it was never said where she was going, only that it was the past
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Trek is Not our future, so reconning Trek history from mid 20th century onward is not needed.
Obviously it is. We just live in the timeline where the Vulcans stopped the Romulan schism resulting in a massive civil war that wiped out of the local races leaving a power vacuum in local space that the Klingons tried to occupy only to resisted by the ascendant Vegan Tyranny, Enolian-Tandaran alliance already clamping down on rising Naussican/Orion piracy, only for an outbreak of Vegan choriomeningitis to spread and cause the extinction of these races so that by the 20th century the 100 light-years around Earth are a graveyard of glassed worlds and ship-tombs.
The Dept of Temporal F**k-Ups has decided to excise our timeline to avoid any cross contamination
Perhaps They just completely cordoned our timeline off, so They could continue to observe the 'Train Wreck' in real time without it (us) being able to contaminate any other Universe should we discover that form of travel in the future.Obviously it is. We just live in the timeline where the Vulcans stopped the Romulan schism resulting in a massive civil war that wiped out of the local races leaving a power vacuum in local space that the Klingons tried to occupy only to resisted by the ascendant Vegan Tyranny, Enolian-Tandaran alliance already clamping down on rising Naussican/Orion piracy, only for an outbreak of Vegan choriomeningitis to spread and cause the extinction of these races so that by the 20th century the 100 light-years around Earth are a graveyard of glassed worlds and ship-tombs.
The Dept of Temporal F**k-Ups has decided to excise our timeline to avoid any cross contamination
Sorry, not buying it. PU is a separate Space-time continuum.
STD and SNW is more than just tiny contradictions that TOS and TNG may have had in things like the name of starfleet. The new shows have big canon issues like STD Klingons, the Spock/Chapel romance, the gorn completely changed and how starfleet knows much more about them than they did in TOS, Khans birth timelime etc. It was dumb to place their shows in the prime universe. They want to obviously create their own vision. Thats fine but they could have done a TNG and continued from that timeline and told us new stories in the 25th century. If needed to tell us stories from the 23rd century a reboot would have been fine and would not have wrecked continuity that had been built up since TOS so badly. Why slowly asphixiate the original series? It makes no sense. After Section 31 not even looking like the 25th century the current ptb seem to have no anesthetic sense of the various timelines and how they are supposed to look. Just becoming a mess. The new creators of Dr. Who retconned the earlier canon and changed who the first Doctor was from the beginning. The show has been in freefall ever since. I don’t want Star Trek following a similar path.
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