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Ways that SNW actually improved TOS
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SNW 2x02. I got the image from Memory-Alpha, but I think it's from the start when Pike is meeting with the lawyer.
Edit: yeah, on Canadian P+ it's 6:51 in
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Thanks for looking into it! Totally missed that the other day when I rewatched that episode. That really goes to show that even if you already watched this show multiple times there’s still new stuff to pick up (or, have someone else pick it up for you.
)What I like about this design is that it almost makes it look like this is just a transparent version of the opaque, colored cards they were using on the original show.
I hate the touch screen controls in my Honda van. I much prefer physical controls I can reach over and recognize/operate by touch alone. To change anything from climate systems to the radio I have to take my eyes off the road, reach over and tap three different parts of the center screen just right, each touch changing the screen to a new configuration.
My older cars were much easier to operate with the physical controls, I didn't even have to look to operate every feature.
My older cars were much easier to operate with the physical controls, I didn't even have to look to operate every feature.
Yes, the TNG Technical Manual confirms on p. 33 that the control panels give tactile and auditory feedback. Probably some kind of electrostatic field effect that you feel when your fingers are over the surface, rather than an actual shape change.
Even today, simple vibrating motors can feel exactly like a clicking button in things like my computer's solid-state trackpad. It probably won't be too many year before the technology can be more subtle or directed so it can be used to distinguish individual controls.
Though even then, it'll be on smartphones and tablets, not cars. My understanding is that a big part of car companies going for touchscreen consoles is that a single low-grade commodity touch-screen display is much cheaper than a traditional control panel, which has to be designed, and mass produced, and each individual button has to be assembled, and it all has to work, an economic motive that far outweighs the fact that many people hate using touchscreens while driving, especially cheap ones that are harder to see in sunlight and less responsive to touch.
Though even then, it'll be on smartphones and tablets, not cars. My understanding is that a big part of car companies going for touchscreen consoles is that a single low-grade commodity touch-screen display is much cheaper than a traditional control panel, which has to be designed, and mass produced, and each individual button has to be assembled, and it all has to work, an economic motive that far outweighs the fact that many people hate using touchscreens while driving, especially cheap ones that are harder to see in sunlight and less responsive to touch.
Yeah, every time my hand even floats towards the touch screen, my wife gets pissed about me taking my eyes off the road to fuck with it.
The question is not about whether TOS "needed" improving, just about whether there are things in SNW that make it even better than it already was. It's not a criticism of TOS, it's a discussion of how something good can be enhanced by looking at it in a new way.
Although, that said, yes, there obviously are things in TOS that could be improved on, like the 1960s gender attitudes.
Usually by retconning what are now considered outdated beliefs to be a) those of a particular individual, not society, b) to be directed toward a particular individual and not their group as a whole, c) to have different motivations than the comment initially appeared to (than the writers intended), or d) re-interpreting their comments in light of the specific situation being discussed, rather than making it a generalization.
I would say yes only for the time period attitudes as well as the tendency to relegate secondary characters to limited development and emphasizing Kirk and Spock. They are the leads, for sure but I think a lot of character development for Sulu, Scotty and Uhura came by way of novels, not from what was in the show.
So, yes, there are places for improvement.
TOS is a period piece, no need for updates.
It is a period piece, but that period is the 2260s not the 1960s.
Exactly. It was meant to be forward-looking, not retro. Roddenberry himself believed Trek should always update itself for whatever new era it's made in. He wanted it to be a vision of the future that spoke to viewers of the present and advanced along with society and technology, not something frozen forever in the past.
The SNW!Enterprise design, IMO, is the best looking Enterprise since the NX and -E. It feels like a fully realized evolution between the NX, the proposed refit, and the Movie!Enterprise/-A.
Let's not get craycray.
The Big D might be squat and stubby, but its got it where it counts. And the D does the job perfectly.
It is.
My favorite is still the TOS, followed by SNW then TNG. Each works well in context. If the NX ever got it's refit in season 5 that would be a contender.
About the only Enterprise I hate is the B- those extra plant on just look like that. If they had gone with the original idea of having those oversized additional Impulse engines actually be saucer mounted hangar bays I could give it some love (the on set MSD still had them labeled as such), but the over kill on impulse engines just looks silly, especially with the large ones already present on that class
About the only Enterprise I hate is the B- those extra plant on just look like that. If they had gone with the original idea of having those oversized additional Impulse engines actually be saucer mounted hangar bays I could give it some love (the on set MSD still had them labeled as such), but the over kill on impulse engines just looks silly, especially with the large ones already present on that class
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