Waters of Mars Comment & Grading SPOILERS
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It wasn't a paradox?
It wasn't too bad. I actually felt that the certainty of their deaths meant that the show wasn't that exciting until he finally decided to help at the end but that may just be me. It was great to see them mention the Ice Warriors but can somebody remind me what year the Dalek Invasion of Earth was supposed to take place (i.e. when Susan left the TARDIS). It wasn't mentioned and I thought it would have been a rather significant event in Earth history that would warrant some coverage!
Lindsay Duncan was pretty awesome. I think I agree that it would have been more sensible to take her out into space to ensure that her disappearance/presumed death still inspired her grandaughter but by the end she was quite frightened by him so blowing her head own off rather than interfering in the time stream might have seemed like the lesser of two evils.
My main criticism of most of Davies' episodes is his tendency to elongate the characters' self-congratulatory monologues. They'd have as much impact if they were half as long most of the time. The Sarah Jane Smith crew spend a lot of time on arrogant self-congratulation too and it becomes tiresome.
Overall it reminds me of Donna's comments (in the Runaway Bride was it?) where she said the Doctor shouldn't travel alone because sometimes he needs someone to stop him and that may be why he is going to revisit her in the Xmas special... The (Ood) Watcher and Cloister Bell are nice touches reminiscent of Logopolis.
I'm not a big fan of John Simm's turn as the Master because I found him to be too manic - almost like the Joker (a lengthier turn by Derek Jacobi would have been far more welcome) but I like the Master as a character.
I tend to agree that some more Time Lords will be making an appearance soon. Maybe the Rani saved a few; or maybe Romana got some into E-space. There are a few possibilities. For my part, I'd like to know what happened to Susan who was stuck on Earth with no TARDIS in the aftermath of the Dalek invasion.
Lindsay Duncan was pretty awesome. I think I agree that it would have been more sensible to take her out into space to ensure that her disappearance/presumed death still inspired her grandaughter but by the end she was quite frightened by him so blowing her head own off rather than interfering in the time stream might have seemed like the lesser of two evils.
My main criticism of most of Davies' episodes is his tendency to elongate the characters' self-congratulatory monologues. They'd have as much impact if they were half as long most of the time. The Sarah Jane Smith crew spend a lot of time on arrogant self-congratulation too and it becomes tiresome.
Overall it reminds me of Donna's comments (in the Runaway Bride was it?) where she said the Doctor shouldn't travel alone because sometimes he needs someone to stop him and that may be why he is going to revisit her in the Xmas special... The (Ood) Watcher and Cloister Bell are nice touches reminiscent of Logopolis.
I'm not a big fan of John Simm's turn as the Master because I found him to be too manic - almost like the Joker (a lengthier turn by Derek Jacobi would have been far more welcome) but I like the Master as a character.
I tend to agree that some more Time Lords will be making an appearance soon. Maybe the Rani saved a few; or maybe Romana got some into E-space. There are a few possibilities. For my part, I'd like to know what happened to Susan who was stuck on Earth with no TARDIS in the aftermath of the Dalek invasion.
When you get the DVD pause on the News Story that appears at the end. The other two survivors told that story of what happened on Mars and how she had saved the Earth from being infected.
Reapers only appear when a Paradox is created. (In "Father's Day" Rose causes an earlier version of herself and the Doctor to wink out of existance. But if the past versions didn't exist how could the future ones still be there.)
If they turned up every time History was changed they'd appear in just about every story!
We don't know when it happened but we know it happened later than 2164, more than a century after Waters of Mars.
That must have been cause they were "little people"
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That and the producers have 'selective continuity' remembering some past stories and forgeting others. Although, the 'in plot' reason can be because the Doctor (maybe the time war too) is always changing history of events whereas the past past Doctors may have had those adventures but they dont exist in the standard timeline anymore.
It would be interesting to see, after all these years, how many of these stories are now part of an altered timeline (and the Doctors own timeline) and don't exist anymore in the current timeline. Maybe this is why it a huge deal when the doctors meet up with there former selves.
^Which goes back to "Rose" and his online fanbase and also
"You're in the biggest library in the whole universe, look me up!"
"You're in the biggest library in the whole universe, look me up!"
RTD said it was the original plan, yes. to have an episode set exactly 50 years later.
Adelaide mentions at one point something about the Earth's atmosphere and weather being in a bad state in the time she lives in, which is one of her reasons for coming out into space. But the Second Doctor story The Enemy of the World, had Salamandar create the Sun-Catcher device to control Earth's weather around 2017 (or 2030 according to the Target novelisation), and the Gravitron was built on the moon to control weather in 2050 according to The Moonbase. I didn't expect such sloppiness on RTD's part.
I don't necessarily blame him but in a story point of view
"different details but the story's still the same"
Anyone notice the Tardis has changed already since April.
"different details but the story's still the same"
Anyone notice the Tardis has changed already since April.
The Mill's probably been working on the new TARDIS model, and wanted to show it off early, in a way only the fans would see
I don't see what's so bad about "Planet of The Dead"
It was the 'calm before the storm' one final mindless adventure with a flying bus before the heavy stuff/drama comes.
As RTD said "it's the last time the doctor has fun"
It was the 'calm before the storm' one final mindless adventure with a flying bus before the heavy stuff/drama comes.
As RTD said "it's the last time the doctor has fun"
Initial overnights (these will be revised later in the morning) state that The Waters Of Mars got: 9.1m viewers.
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How does that measure up? Good ratings, bad?
Not the best they've ever had, but still pretty good. I read X-Factor/I'm a celeb beat it though.
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