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Water of Mars...wow, I just really did not like it.

Perhaps. It was either that or stop watching Who for a while (at first I was dead set against continuing if it meant skipping a special). But I'm really keen on seeing what Matt Smith brings to the role, so missing out on one special was preferable to me than not watching Who until I was able to aquire said special.

Yeah, that 2 days it would've taken Netflix to send you the disc would've been unbearable.

If I actually had the option to have the disc sent to me I would have done that. But as I'm not the one paying for the account, I'm not complaining.


Allyn Gibson actually eloquated my feelings on why this episode didn't work for me. I just didn't buy the Doctor's character arc. It rang hollow for me when he showed back up to try and save the day, it didn't feel like something the Doctor would do.
I thought it made perfect sense. It wasn't that he was trying to save the day. It's that he was trying to save himself. The arc is about the Oods' foreshadowing of the Doctor's death, and he was determined to prove them wrong. If he could save the Mars team and change one of those unchangeable "fixed" moments in time, he would be one step closer to doing that. However, as soon as Captain Brooke killed herself, he knew he was doomed.[/QUOTE]

I have to disagree with Allyn about the character development at the start of "End of Time Part I". It's perfectly reconcilable with how the Doctor behaved at the end of "Waters of Mars". He was being selfish, he knew the gravity of the Ood's call, he simply was taken a bit of time for himself to push it away and not deal with it right away. A final distraction from reality if you will before the shit hit the fan for him. He pretty much admits this.

I didn't have a problem with how he was acting at the beginning of "End of Time" either. They even explain that he's been keeping himself busy; it's been a while since his little revelation at the end of the prior special.
 
^ Indeed. The Doctor has had a history of acting selfish before. That is one of the great things about the character. He's not all peaches and cream. He isn't perfect. He makes mistakes. People die, alot. He does a lot of good and is very heroic but there is tragedy that follows him around.I think he is one of the most fascinating characters in television honestly.
 
It started off strong but ended weak. The Doctor has a time machine and could take them anywhere. He knew better than to change history, but he thought he was above the consequences of his actions. It's the same problem I had with Father's Day, I can see the Doctor letting Rose see her father once. But crossing his own timeline, he knows better than that but did it anyway. It's sloppy writing!!
 
It started off strong but ended weak. The Doctor has a time machine and could take them anywhere. He knew better than to change history, but he thought he was above the consequences of his actions. It's the same problem I had with Father's Day, I can see the Doctor letting Rose see her father once. But crossing his own timeline, he knows better than that but did it anyway. It's sloppy writing!!
This is the guy who single-handedly stopped the Time War by committing genocide against his own people. It's not sloppy writing. It's a God complex.
 
It started off strong but ended weak. The Doctor has a time machine and could take them anywhere. He knew better than to change history, but he thought he was above the consequences of his actions. It's the same problem I had with Father's Day, I can see the Doctor letting Rose see her father once. But crossing his own timeline, he knows better than that but did it anyway. It's sloppy writing!!
This is the guy who single-handedly stopped the Time War by committing genocide against his own people. It's not sloppy writing. It's a God complex.
And he did that in order to prevent them from carrying out genocide against the entirety of the universe. Just sayin'.
 
Any reason why there were so many specials that year in between seasons 4 and 5? Was it just to send David Tennant off in a big way?
 
Any reason why there were so many specials that year in between seasons 4 and 5? Was it just to send David Tennant off in a big way?
Preptime for Moffat/Smith, while letting Tennant have free time for other stuff, and providing at least some Doctor Who during that year.
 
I like that episode if for nothing but this exchange:

Captain Brook: State your name, rank, and intention
The Doctor: The Doctor, doctor, fun.
 
Any reason why there were so many specials that year in between seasons 4 and 5? Was it just to send David Tennant off in a big way?

RTD felt having a "gap year" after four seasons would be a good way to build interest up when it did return. The specials were done so that there would be a Doctor Who presence in 2009.
 
I didn't like Planet of the Dead or the Next Doctor, but I liked Waters of Mars (save for two points, which I'll get to later). I like that Doctor Who is full of whimsy, but the first two specials were to the point of overload, so that's one reason why I liked Waters. The Doctor's very own nature and raison d'etre helped increase the show's mythology, but the interplay between him and Brooke were such highlights that pushes the show from the maligned term "kids show" to family show, and quite beyond in a mature way.

(also, a point of contention: complaining that the setting seems cramped is kind of silly, seeing as how that's the point in making cramped settings - it heightens paranoia and claustrophobia, reinforcing the point that the colonists are trapped and in grave danger)


Now, the two things I didn't like:
-the usual overuse of music: the BBC released a few preview trailers without music, but I recall the lack of music really helping to drive the creepiness (case in point, the scene where Brooke and the Doctor find a crewman assimilating another in the garden was super-effective without music)
-the Doctor's breakdown at the end: yes, I realize it had to happen somehow, in order to push Brooke and for RTD's intended end-show goals, so I can forgive its necessity. How it was executed though, seemed really out of character, artificial, and overwrought for Ten. Yes the Doctor is arrogant, yes he's powerful, but the way he quickly and rapidly descends into believing his own mythology seemed psychotic without much explanation as to why or how he got to the breaking point (esp. for a character whose usual MO is to always come up with the right plan at the last moment).
 
-the Doctor's breakdown at the end: yes, I realize it had to happen somehow, in order to push Brooke and for RTD's intended end-show goals, so I can forgive its necessity. How it was executed though, seemed really out of character, artificial, and overwrought for Ten. Yes the Doctor is arrogant, yes he's powerful, but the way he quickly and rapidly descends into believing his own mythology seemed psychotic without much explanation as to why or how he got to the breaking point (esp. for a character whose usual MO is to always come up with the right plan at the last moment).

That is ultimately what destroyed this episode for me. Since I couldn't buy into the sudden personality change of the Doctor the whole episode rung hollow for me.
 
I thought the original reason for the specials was so that David could heal his injured back and do Shakespeare. I remember reading that he got some sort of injury and couldn't do a full season of Doctor Who because of it.
 
I thought he got injured doing Shakespeare, which was after the decision was made?
Actually, he was injured during the making of "The Next Doctor." Tennant always had a bad back, and the wire work for the scene where the Doctor rescues Jackson Lake's son wrenched his back. And then, during Hamlet, it became too difficult for him to continue, so he had to drop out for a time for it to recover.
 
^Ah yes, I thought it had something to do with wire work but actually thought it'd been in Hamlet. That does confirm it was after the decision was made to only do the specials.
 
If I remember The Writer's Tale right, they knew they were doing the Specials as far back as the filming of "Doomsday."
 
^^Indeed. RTD even said that if he'd stayed with the show, there'd be a break after every four seasons for the purposes of recharing the creative batteries. Each "gap year" would have had a handful of specials to keep fans satisfied.
 
Does anyone know if he changed his opinion after the specials year? In theory it's a great idea, but for me the specials year wasn't particularly special. I think a truncated series might be a better way to go. Although Planet of the Dead was nominally an Easter episode, WOM just seemed to be thrown into the schedule where there was a gap. Still a shame it wasn't a Halloween ep.
 
The idea was perfectly fine, it was just the execution that was flawed.

I agree that The Waters of Mars would have been a fantastic Halloween special.
 
Does anyone else think the most frightening aliens are the ones the Doctor hasn't come across before and has no intention of trying to get to know better? I'm thinking of Water of Mars and Midnight here.
 
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