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...or specifically refer to the Desilu back lot. How much would an average viewer know about film and TV production in 1966 to even know about studio backlots?

That's right. The house façades in every sitcom sure fooled me in those days. I always thought they were real houses somewhere. And then I wondered how they could film famous shows without the public milling around and rubbernecking. Well, I guess they're in these cool California neighborhoods where everyone is blasé about television. Makes sense.

You could figure out just by watching that the interiors were in studios, but those outdoor shots looked real. Backlot? What's that?
 
As a kid, I always assumed that Bewitched, I Dream of Jeannie and Leave it to Beaver filmed in the same neighborhood.

To the average family watching TV in the 50's and 60's, I would guess they figured, at most, the outside shots were done "in California" somewhere, unless the show announced in the credits it was shot elsewhere, like I Spy.
 
As a kid, I always assumed that Bewitched, I Dream of Jeannie and Leave it to Beaver filmed in the same neighborhood.

I'm not highly familiar with Leave it to Beaver, but Bewitched, Gidget, I Dream of Jeannie, and The Partridge Family all used faux houses on the same street.
https://bewitchedhouse.com/ranch/aerial/photos-1/s-large.jpg
The little circular fountain is seen in the opening titles of Friends.

Outside of show business, this would be called a Potemkin village. North Korea has one facing south, to back up propaganda about their prosperity:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kijong-dong
 
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I'm not highly familiar with Leave it to Beaver, but Bewitched, Gidget, I Dream of Jeannie, and The Partridge Family all used faux houses on the same street.
https://bewitchedhouse.com/ranch/aerial/photos-1/s-large.jpg
The little circular fountain is seen in the opening titles of Friends.

Hell, the park with pool was used on I Dream of Jeannie (Djinn Djinn the dog floated over the pool and Major Nelson - naturally - fell in) and in 1984, Mike Donovan and Ham Tyler beat up some Visitors on V in that selfsame park and took refuge in the large house. That picture is amazing.
 
I am enjoying the reviews, but find my "suspension of disbelief" about when this is being watched undermined by the reviewers being a little too aware of the show's future legacy, etc.

Fer instance, some reviews comment on things that would flash by to quickly to be noted in a world sans freeze-frame or screengrabs. I mean, who could write down all those flashed on the screen credits like...

Director of Photography Jerry Finnerman, Art Directors Roland M. Brooks and Walter M. Jefferies, Set Decorator Carl F. Biddiscombe, Costumer William Theiss, and their team members represented by the I.A.T.S.E. labor

...and even mention the union!

The writer and director are prominently displayed at the beginning of each episode. I've actually tracked those things quite closely since Twilight Zone since so many a lot of SF names I knew ended up there.

As or unions, the only union mentioned was the Fashion Union, which was a joke, noting how often the costumes change on the show.

Or a tendency to nudge-nudge wink-wink things like...

where they land is indistinguishable from a town in the 1960s. Mayberry, perhaps.

...or specifically refer to the Desilu back lot. How much would an average viewer know about film and TV production in 1966 to even know about studio backlots?

People who watch a lot of TV? Or read TV Guide? That one, I think, is very much in the moment (and in any event, I was advised that it was not Mayberry after the fact. :)

Lorelei and I, in particular, have noted the Desilu shows because they've included some of our favorites: Andy Griffith<, I, Spy, and Mission: Impossible, for instance. And it's not like you can avoid the big Desilu jingle at the end of the shows... (at least this year)

Also, language. Two reviews of "What Are Little Girls Made Of" use the word "clone", which originated as an agricultural term at the turn of the century but I'm pretty sure wasn't in the vernacular of average people or used in its now modern sense until after Alvin Toffler's Future Shock in 1970.

That's an excellent catch, thank you. I spend much of my time as editor playing squash-the-anachronism. I will fix this.

Minor nits, sure, and the whole project and the reviews are fun nevertheless.

I'm glad you're enjoying it, and feel free to nitpick! Sometimes, you'll find you're mistaken -- that something was common back then, or that we're very much in the time. Believe me, I spend much more time in 1966 than 2021!

Some examples include folks who think we're too progressive for 1966 (or 1960, or whenever they've raised the objections). We're at the end of the bell curve, but it's not like civil rights or feminism started in 1968.

Or little things like "How did you know who Cordwainer Smith was before he died?" (Answer: it was not uncommon knowledge among fans. It was even published in a fanzine.)

Maybe I should start awarding No Prizes!
 
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That's right. The house façades in every sitcom sure fooled me in those days. I always thought they were real houses somewhere. And then I wondered how they could film famous shows without the public milling around and rubbernecking. Well, I guess they're in these cool California neighborhoods where everyone is blasé about television. Makes sense.

You could figure out just by watching that the interiors were in studios, but those outdoor shots looked real. Backlot? What's that?

We're not average viewers. We're fans! :)

Beyond that, we're extraordinary fans, essentially journalists. Kaye and I, pro historians both of us, cover the space beat, and we actually know a lot of the principals we mention (indeed, part of the reason I started the Journey was to use some of the knowledge I had accumulated.) When Operation: Annihilate, you better believe I'll recognize Space Park, which I've been to many times.

John Boston is so venerable, he's covering magazines he appeared in! Ditto when we get pieces from guest celebrities like David Rome and Alexei Panshin.

We're also, obviously, very rich fans. Long distance calls are no sweat for us. We have access to 'fax machines and teletypes, and our own high quality offset printer. But for the most part, none of the stuff we cover is outlandish for us to know or to think about. Just read the fanzines of the time. Fen knew a lot, and since the line between fan and pro was blurry, they got lots of inside dope on how Hollywood worked.

But again, always feel free to play "spot-the-anachronism" -- it's fun and ultimately makes a better Journey (for instance, "clone" has been expunged... except where it refers to this year's novel.) And thank you for reading!
 
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Interestingly, the following have yet to be in the Trek vernacular, even 11 episodes in:

Dilithium
Shuttlecraft
Federation
Starfleet
Vulcan
Spock's rank
Mind Meld
Nerve Pinch
 
That would not come for a while, I think late Season 1 or even Season 2.
That's a Gene Coon invention, apparently. ""Errand of Mercy" was - I think - the first time it was used.

I don't think "Mind Meld" was used until "Spectre of the Gun." It changed names almost every time it was used.

The Vulcan Mind Touch
The Mind Fusion
The Mind Probe
The Mind Link
The Vulcan Technique for the Joining of Two Minds.
 
The writer and director are prominently displayed at the beginning of each episode. I've actually tracked those things quite closely since <i>Twilight Zone</i> since so many a lot of SF names I knew ended up there.
The specific example I cited lists six names from the end credits, three of which (Jerry Finnerman, Roland M. Brooks, Walter M. Jefferies) appear on a single screen that's up for barely 3 seconds. Without videotape or screengrabs most people would have to compile these over a series of episodes, assuming they don't change from episode to episode. I'm not saying it's impossible, but it struck me as unlikely. YMMV.

People who watch a lot of TV? Or read TV Guide? That one, I think, is very much in the moment (and in any event, I was advised that it was <i>not</i> Mayberry after the fact. :)
Do you mean "Miri" town? Because it is Mayberry: the 40 Acres backlot and you can plainly see Sheriff Taylor's courthouse. (To anyone reading this not in the know, on Andy Griffith they shot the location such as to de-emphasis the height of buildings to make it feel like a small town, whereas in "Miri" they go wide and you see the true height of buildings that you never saw in Mayberry, so it doesn't necessarily register as the same place to most people.)

That's an excellent catch, thank you. I spend much of my time as editor playing squash-the-anachronism. I will fix this.
You bet! It's language betrays lots of supposed period writing, so I very much appreciate your trying to get the reviews to "sound" right. As you obviously know, it's extremely tricky to do.

I'm often nose-deep in the memos and letters in the Gene Roddenberry papers and you get a feel for how people wrote back in the day. It was more formal to be sure. Many of today’s colloquial invectives would be alien for 1966, and even words in use then and now sometimes meant something different then (e.g. "asshole" was uncommon outside the military or veterans and shaded more towards the later "dweeb" and "wuss", whereas in recent generations it mostly functions as a replacement for the out-of-fashion "sonofabitch"). Mad Men was pretty good about the language but the writers didn't always quite grasp the vernacular of the time, hence things like the "you need to" when people then were more likely to say "you ought to".

Some examples include folks who think we're too progressive for 1966 (or 1960, or whenever they've raised the objections). We're at the end of the bell curve, but it's not like civil rights or feminism started in 1968.
I feel your pain. We fight this perception on Fact Trek all the time. Those people haven't watched enough 1960s TV outside some sitcoms and genre shows, or have invested in the pervasive myth of Star Trek exceptionalism. Over on CBS The Defenders was hitting subjects as controversial as teen pregnancy and abortion back in 1962.
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It was an extreme case to be sure, but there were shows as or more progressive than Star Trek before and during Star Trek.
 
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The specific example I cited lists six names from the end credits, three of which (Jerry Finnerman, Roland M. Brooks, Walter M. Jefferies) appear on a single screen that's up for barely 3 seconds. Without videotape or screengrabs most people would have to compile these over a series of episodes, assuming they don't change from episode to episode. I'm not saying it's impossible, but it struck me as unlikely. YMMV.

Ahhh, I see the one you're referring to. I'm okay with it. Indeed, one of the folks on our team is actually a member of the Costume Design Guild (and thus gets to be back then, too). She'd actually follow, and just know offhand, the creative team. You're right that the average viewer might not be up on or care about such things, but we're supposed to be the AP of fandom.

Do you mean "Miri" town? Because it is Mayberry: the 40 Acres backlot and you can plainly see Sheriff Taylor's courthouse. (To anyone reading this not in the know, on Andy Griffith they shot the location such as to de-emphasis the height of buildings to make it feel like a small town, whereas in "Miri" they go wide and you see the true height of buildings that you never say in Mayberry, so it doesn't necessarily register as the same place to most people.)

A ha! Well, cool. I was just guessing. I don't know what all is on the Desilu back lot (which I'm sure we also see in spliced scenes in I, Spy all the time), but I knew Mayberry was there somewhere.

You bet! It's language betrays lots of supposed period writing, so I very much appreciate your trying to get the reviews to "sound" right. As you obviously know, it's extremely tricky to do.

I'm often npse-deep on the memos and letters in the Gene Roddenberry and papers and you get a feel for how people wrote back in the day. It was more formal to be sure. Many of today’s colloquial invectives would be alien for 1966, and even words in use then and now sometimes meant something different then (e.g. "asshole" was uncommon outside the military or veterans and shaded more towards the later "dweeb" and "wuss", whereas in recent generations it mostly functions as a replacement for the out-of-fashion "sonofabitch"). Mad Men was pretty good about the language but the writers didn't always quite grasp the vernacular of the time, hence things like the "you need to" when people then were more likely to say "you ought to".

Exactly! And it's easier to look up words than expressions, though Google NGrams is helpful. Mostly, you just have to pick it up through endless reading of contemporary stuff, watching of shows, and like that. (speaking of idiomatic constructions that don't exist anymore).

I feel your pain. We fight this perception on Fact Trek all the time. Those people haven't watched enough 1960s TV outside some sitcoms and genre shows, or have invested in the pervasive myth of Star Trek exceptionalism. Over on CBS The Defenders was hitting subjects as controversial as teen pregnancy and abortion back in 1962.
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It was an extreme case to be sure, but there were shows as or more progressive than Star Trek before and during Star Trek.

The Rejected came out in 1961! And East Side/West Side is another fantastic, progressive show. But Star Trek is pretty exceptional in that it's at the edge of the bell curve for TV of the time. I've been watching TV regularly since 1961 (when I started the TV station) and Trek is a revolution in a lot of ways. "The Cage" in particular (which we're going to get to see some of in "The Menagerie" tonight) was, pun intended, light years ahead of anything that had been on the air in 1964. In its diversity of crew (women ain't treated great in the post-pilot show proper, but they're there<), and its maturity of science fiction (compared to, say, Twilight Zone, most of Outer Limits, and definitely the Irwin Allen shows).

By the way, your site is really cool, and it's a delight getting to share this conversation with you!
 
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Watching Iron Horse this week, I see that Madlyn Rhue come by her appreciation for autocrats honestly...

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Two more familiar faces, who appeared on the incestuous lot of Mission: Impossible tonight:

Barry Russo (who gets promoted from Lt. Commander to Commodore in very short order):

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and this fellow:

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Today, Lorelei and I watched a double feature of The Russians are Coming! The Russians are Coming! and The Alphabet Murders (she's desperate for any Tony Randall).

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Anyway, the latter is not very good, but the former is absolutely excellent. And it features two actors we've recently seen on Star Trek!

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Today, Lorelei and I watched a double feature of The Russians are Coming! The Russians are Coming! and The Alphabet Murders (she's desperate for any Tony Randall).

661121ritz.jpg


Anyway, the latter is not very good, but the former is absolutely excellent. And it features two actors we've recently seen on Star Trek!

661121pollard.jpg


661121dromm.jpg

I suppsose that you mean Michael J. Pollard and Andrea Dromm.

But you omitted Sheldon Collins/Sheldon Golomb.

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0172682/?ref_=tt_cl_t_12
 
Today, we watched the second episode of The Menagerie. It was a banner crowd -- well over 30 throughout the various rooms.

But the coolest bit was, after the show was over, I read the latest Yandro, exhorting folks to write letters to Desilu, NBC, TV Guide, and like that, to make sure the show both stays on the air and doesn't get stupid (the Irwin Allen shows were specifically mentioned...)

I can't wait till the first fanzines come out early next year!
 
Reading Yandro this month (November '66 issue), I found it interesting that at least some fans were aware that Menagerie was a clip-show. Those who went to Tricon, of course, would certainly know that. I just wonder if it was commonly known among the casual fen.

Also interesting (as mentioned in another thread), the great effort to save Star Trek at the end of '66 had nothing to do with Trek getting a full first season, since NBC had asked for the extra 10 episodes by early October. It probably didn't hurt publicity, though. And maybe won some fen over to the show, since a lot of fen looked down their nose at TV stf.
 
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