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Watching Babylon 5 for the first time... *Spoilers, duh*

I was just in Orlando two weeks ago! I spent my first ever adult vacation at Disney World :cool:

Unfortunately I started B5 in a horrible way. I started watching in the middle of Season Four with "Racing Mars", then read synopses of all the other episodes, so I was "spoiled" on the entire series and when I finally got to see the episodes on TNT I already by heart the events within them. I really wish I could have experienced it as the show aired :-/
 
My tipping point occurred rather early, in season one's "Deathwalker" (I know, not often listed among fan favorites, lol).

When Jha'dur talked to Sinclair about her legacy, I got chill-bumps.

You will fall upon one another like wolves. It will make what we did pale by comparison. The billions who live forever will be a monument to my work, and the billions who are murdered to buy that immortality will be the continuance of my work. Not like us? You will become us. That's my monument.

And when the Vorlons stepped in at the end and dealt the smackdown and Kosh condescended to Sinclair... I knew right then that this was a series that was going to take risks, make important moves in terms of plot and characterization, and do things of lasting consequence.
 
One triva bit I'd almost forgotten: In the original script, Garibaldi and Dodger *were* supposed to have a one-night stand but the actress who played Dodger was a former girlfriend of Jerry Doyle's. Doyle and Andrea Thompson (Talia) were in a real-life relationship and Jerry campaigned to get the scene changed so that his character didn't have to sleep with Dodger.

Jan

Now THAT is interesting!
I always had trouble buying that Michael would pass up that not uncute redhead. Now I know why.
 
That's funny I think the reason in the guide book was that Garibaldi felt it would be unfair to his character because of his relationship with Lise Hampton.
 
That's funny I think the reason in the guide book was that Garibaldi felt it would be unfair to his character because of his relationship with Lise Hampton.

That's what the character said on the show, yes. But Jerry Doyle has pretty much told the same story at conventions as Larry DiTillio did in the episode introduction in the script book.

Jan
 
That's funny I think the reason in the guide book was that Garibaldi felt it would be unfair to his character because of his relationship with Lise Hampton.

That's what the character said on the show, yes. But Jerry Doyle has pretty much told the same story at conventions as Larry DiTillio did in the episode introduction in the script book.

Jan

Jerry added a bit, though. According to Jerry (at Dragon*Con), he had been actively campaigning for Garibaldi to "get some." Day after day, week after week, he kept trying to get some action on screen. He was thrilled to see it finally worked in GROPOS. Until they hired his ex to play the part. Since he was then in a relationship with Andrea, he back-peddled and they changed the end to leave Garibaldi chaste. He never asked for Garibaldi to "get some" after that.
 
^^ That matches with what Larry DiTillio said. He'd promised Jerry that he'd have Garibaldi 'hooked up' in an episode after Jerry complained that Londo got the girl before Garibaldi did.

Jan
 
Babylon 5 is the best science fiction television show to date.

I was hooked on it with the Soul Hunter episode. The first episode and The Gathering were just OK. But it was about the first episode eliminated in that Hurt/Heal thread.

It is curious the JMS says he is an atheist but then you read this

http://reluctant-messenger.com/reincarnation-proof.htm

and hear the theme from The Twilight Zone playing. :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZhMDU9GcVg

Deep Space 9 just seems as good because the production quality is so much better but it is looks not substance. But DS9 is the best Trek.

psi
 
I enjoyed Midnight on the Firing Line, but then I ended up falling asleep watching Soul Hunter and Born to the Purple. At the time I blamed the episodes in question, but in hindsight, and having rewatched those episodes many times since, I think it was more down to me having started a new job at the same time, and I was permanently knackered (Part-time student to fulltime job, yikes!).

I didn't check back in until And the Sky Full of Stars. That piqued my interest, then Signs & Portents tipped me over the edge, and Babylon Squared just blew me away. Don't even mention Chrysalis! :lol:

Re DS9 - I love the show. Not quite as much, but I hate all that "x is better than y" bollocks. For the type of story it was, to tell it within the narrow confines of Trekdom, was a fantastic achievement by Behr, Moore et al. Personally, I thank my lucky stars that we got both.
 
There's a lot to reply to and as anyone who checks the Miscellaneous board will understand, I'm really overwhelmed at the moment! So I'll simply say greetings, neighbor' to Jan for the moment and move on with the episodes.

"Comes the Inquisitor" wasn't what I was expecting, simply because for some unknown reason I'd long since decided it was going to be Bester arriving at the station and I don't even know why. I guess despite the senselessness of the idea I'd just gotten used to Walter Koenig being a cunning bastard and doing cunning bastard things.

It was good for its Delenn content, that's for sure, and Wayne Alexander's performance was admirable as well. Not sure how I feel about the whole 'Jack the Ripper' angle; it just feels like something I'd say in Star Trek: The Next Generation and not Babylon 5. I guess I was proven wrong, though, eh?

That thing in the beginning with Vir and Lennier, by the way? Ace. Just ace.

"The Fall of Night" was pretty darn good. I wasn't expecting something too explosive since I'd gotten something like that very recently but I figured that with it being a season finale, a few big things would have to happen, and I was right. Toward the end it really ramps up the intensity.

By the way, to the poster who told me Keffer's gig in this episode 'is a real blast', I can now officially confirm my suspicions regarding what you were really saying, there, and ohoho.

Since this thread doesn't have nearly enough Jeff O'Connor and TheGodBen reaction comparisons already, I'm going to go ahead and say that I didn't laugh when Kosh turned into an 'angel' because I was bewildered and enthralled with the fact that my guess about the Vorlons (they appear differently to everyone, as mythological beings) was correct and I thought it was a really nifty concept. I did laugh a little, admittedly, at Sheridan being stuck in midair.

Actually, I cracked up at first because I thought the SFX team was failing epically at portraying Sheridan falling. I was like, 'yeah, uh, no, he isn't moving.' Then they explained it and I quieted down... mostly.

JMS was talking up how great the whole thing looked in The Lurker's Guide's article on the episode but, and I know it really isn't fair because it's 2011, but I was laughing a little.

Still, it doesn't detract from the drama of it all, which I thought was fantastic. Oh, and the Morden stuff with Londo. Fantastic. (Was that here? Or in the next one? I, er... I can't actually remember...) And Ivanova's narration at the end. Very unique. I liked it.

Which brings us to the last episode I watched, "Matters of Honor".

Hey, look, it's Ivanova's narration in technicolor. Wow, the music really changed this year. I'm not a big fan of the stiller images of the characters compared with season two's more dynamic stuff but the season is young; it will no doubt grow on me. The narration and the music are incredible, though.

So anyway, two big things to talk about with this one. Number one: Marcus. Boy, he looks like the love child between Aragorn and Legolas and he seems poised to be Aragorn. He even treats in a bar, appearing as an enigma to young adventurers. Okay, so the bar scene happens all over the place in fiction and, okay, Delenn isn't really a 'young adventurer', but Lennier definitely has some hobbit-like tendencies so dammit, my point stands.

He's cool, though. I like him a lot so far.

Other thing: White Star. Holy hell yes. I love, love, love the name. I mean, the name itself might not mean much without context but it really strikes a chord if you get it. And the fact that Sheridan took down another 'impossible' ship with the successor of light to the Black Star he became so famous/infamous for is not lost on me. I love the design, I love the maneuvers, I love the fact that we finally saw the Shadows bleed a little, I love the crew, I love Lennier's hilarious comment, I love everything about this ship.

I'm going to be blunt: I want to see the White Star and the Defiant fuse into one, the uh, the Defiant Star, and I want to see it blow things up nonstop for an entire episode. This would make me die a happy man, and I'm not even that big on space fights in general. I just... yeah, this ship rocks already.

Anyway, cool episode.
 
Things really ramp up in Season Three. It's the high point. Also it's by FAR my favorite theme music. "Babylon 5 was our last, best hope for peace... it failed BUM BUM BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUM BUM BUM BUUUUUUUUUUUUUM" :D
 
Yeah, Season Three is easily my favorite theme song as well. Things really heat up......great season.
 
I always seem to hear two responses to inquiries of best season.

"Three."

and

"Four."

I think I've seen other responses, what, four times max since the first days of my internet browsing.
 
I'm going to be blunt: I want to see the White Star and the Defiant fuse into one, the uh, the Defiant Star, and I want to see it blow things up nonstop for an entire episode. This would make me die a happy man, and I'm not even that big on space fights in general. I just... yeah, this ship rocks already.
Will you settle for White Stars and Defiants blowing the shit out of each other? (along with a whole lot a' other ships too!)

Part I
Part II
 
That sounds oddly enticing, but does it have footage from any episodes beyond where I'm at now? Or is it one of those completely fan-rendered things? If it's the latter I'll click now; if it's the former, I'll click later.
 
That sounds oddly enticing, but does it have footage from any episodes beyond where I'm at now? Or is it one of those completely fan-rendered things? If it's the latter I'll click now; if it's the former, I'll click later.
It's all fan-rendered. I suppose the only spoilerish thing in it is the inclusion of a ship from the B5 spin-off series Crusade, but since it has nothing to do with the main series, I wouldn't fret it.
 
I always seem to hear two responses to inquiries of best season.

"Three."

and

"Four."

I think I've seen other responses, what, four times max since the first days of my internet browsing.

It's four, definitely four. Although others will say three as well. :lol:
 
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