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Watching Babylon 5 for the first time... *Spoilers, duh*

Now, Big-Eyed Man and the Denizens of Justice (TM) have hired a Centauri telepath to make viewers remember "Deathwalker" in obscure ways and it's up to terrifically-placed Lyta Alexander to play Cyclops to Kosh's victim of Cyclops and solve the case.

I'm being harsh -- I actually didn't hate this one. Good ol' 'Wormtongue' did his usual reliably good impression of a man with severe occular allergies and I liked the religious context of the episode quite a bit. And it's nice to see Lyta again. I'm so totally confused about the episode's ending but this is B5 we're talking about. Nothing new there!
I loved "Passing Through Gethsemane."It's themes about forgiveness and dealing with the hated other play up continually in the series. It is a hard thing to do, for many in the series it's too hard. Katsulas gets to play so many sides of that throughout the series that I can't give him enough praise for the job he did.
 
I always thought "Gethsemane" was vastly over-rated but maybe that's because I'm not particularly religious. It's just alright.
 
Londo's monologue while Lennier was in medlab was sweet.
Trivia bit: That's not Lennier for most of the medlab scenes. It's a dummy. IIRC, Mumy's father had recently passed away and either he wasn't there at the time or it was too recent and he couldn't face playing a possibly dying character.
Nothing in this episode was nearly so flat-out awesome as the elevator scenes between Londo and G'Kar, though.

Katsulas' acting has become such that, and his character's plight has become such that, I actually found myself smirking crazily right alongside him as he spoke his mad dialogue. Although I would have soon snapped out of it and realized JMS had harshly crushed two of the show's best characters, had Londo and G'Kar actually died in that elevator I probably still would have laughed.

JMS wrote the elevator scene with G'Kar perfectly content to die as long as he got to see Londo go, too, because all too often you have bitter enemies cooperating in a crisis and that's become expected. JMS wanted to play against those expectations. The way it was written, G'Kar would have been pretty serious and zen-like but it was Andreas' idea to play it as though G'Kar was having the time of his life.

I'm not a huge fan of "A Day in the Strife" myself but I loved the story JMS told in the script books about how he once asked Freeman Dyson (physicist and Very Smart Man) whether he'd initiate contact with a probe sent out in search of intelligent life*.

In typical B5 synchronicity, this episode begins and ends with Sheridan dealing with unions and in real life the production was interrupted with a labor action and became unionized in less than a week. In order to make it work, JMS gave up a script fee for one episode and John Flinn (Dir. of Photography and occasional director and actor-including the Obnoxious Man in this episode) gave up one of his directorial fees.

Lastly, "Passing Through Gethsemane." So Wormtongue survived his stay on Voyager and avoided certain death through Fox and Mulder, then he killed a bunch of people and a kind priest took him under his wing. Now, Big-Eyed Man and the Denizens of Justice (TM) have hired a Centauri telepath to make viewers remember "Deathwalker" in obscure ways and it's up to terrifically-placed Lyta Alexander to play Cyclops to Kosh's victim of Cyclops and solve the case.

I think you're channelling TGB a bit heavily here... ::Sob:: You don't like "Gethsemane"?! I love this episode so much. Especially Brother Theo.

This is the episode that almost didn't happen because a fan posted a story idea online that was similar. Eventually, JMS got a notorized statement from the fan releasing any rights to the story idea (not that ideas can be copyrighted, the corporations just don't want the hassel of even the possibility of a lawsuit). We got to see the actual release in the recent 'Artifacts' book.

I'm being harsh -- I actually didn't hate this one. Good ol' 'Wormtongue' did his usual reliably good impression of a man with severe occular allergies and I liked the religious context of the episode quite a bit. And it's nice to see Lyta again. I'm so totally confused about the episode's ending but this is B5 we're talking about. Nothing new there!
Are you confused or conflicted about the ending? It's another one of those Big Questions about the morality of revenge and (as stated, obviously) the nature of forgiveness. I like how the show never spoon feeds us answers, only makes us think about them.

This is also one of the situations I point to when the subject of just how 'grey' our heroes will go sometimes.

Jan
*(Answer: If he (Dyson) were in a capsule in space with only himself at risk, he'd initiate contact. On Earth with billions of lives at stake, he wouldn't, though he'd hate himself for it ever after.)
 
^^ I think his confusion is over the weird lights coming out of Lyta and going into Kosh, not about the monks.

I think "Day in the Strife" is a pretty good episode. I like how it has such a huge number of little stories. The Vichy Narn storyline was interesting and important.
 
Haha, yes, that was the source of the confusion. As for the resolution of the main plot, I was intrigued more than anything.

I didn't mean to come across so legitimately scathing regarding "Gethsamene", though; I just felt like messing around. I didn't love it like some do but I didn't hate or even largely dislike it. I found it quite pleasant.

Man, I can see why Bill Mumy would need a stand-in for the medlab scenes. That's rough.
 
I didn't mean to come across so legitimately scathing regarding "Gethsamene", though; I just felt like messing around. I didn't love it like some do but I didn't hate or even largely dislike it. I found it quite pleasant.

Nah, it's me. Sadly, at least half of references like the ones you made fly right over my head.

BTW, did you notice that the music in the chappel when Brother Edward was praying was exactly the same as that from the 'one moment of perfect beauty' in "There All the Honor Lies"?

Jan
 
Jeff you didn't like Voices of Authority?! That's a classic non-epic episode! Julie Musante and going where everyone has gone before! Draal and the Machine and the Footbones and the recording! Marcus going for a bucket!
 
Yes, this is the tipping point of the series where most people who've made it this far are irrevocably hooked. While it is certainly a high point, rest assured there's more where this came from! ;)

I agree with this statement. However this episode has additional significance for me on a personal level. Up until this point, I'd been enjoying B5 as a nice alternative to Trek's TNG and DS9. And I figured there'd be some Trek style reset button whereby our crew somehow prevents the Narn homeworld from being bombarded. I was absolutely stunned when the bombing commenced...in full force.

I realized this was no Star Trek. That there was no way to reset this. There was no way to undo this with time travel hand wavery, that they'd actually have to deal with the ramifications of this going forward. This is where this show said, "we are not afraid of shaking things up and dealing with the aftermath". I realized after a life of being a devoted Trek fan, that I actually liked this show more than Trek. That was a big moment for me.

In a phone conversation with my brother that week, I was trying to tell him about this episode. Like me, he was a Trek fan, though a bit more casual. In regards to Babylon 5, he watched it very casually because he liked sci-fi and there wasn't alot on. But he was not a follower. At the end of my episode synopsis I blurted out "I like this show more than Star Trek." There was a pause on his part, followed by "Really...?"

When he heard me say that, that was the moment he decided he needed to watch Babylon 5 regularly. That was the moment that led to him becoming a huge fan of Babylon 5. Because while we both loved Star Trek growing up in the 70's, I was more fascinated by it than he, and to hear ME say that I liked another sci-fi show more than Star Trek....well that's something that needed to be checked out. The rest, as they say, is history.

For all it's flaws, I just love Babylon 5 for being "the little show that could". More epic and ambitious with half the budget.
 
Up until this point, I'd been enjoying B5 as a nice alternative to Trek's TNG and DS9. And I figured there'd be some Trek style reset button whereby our crew somehow prevents the Narn homeworld from being bombarded. I was absolutely stunned when the bombing commenced...in full force.

I realized this was no Star Trek. That there was no way to reset this. There was no way to undo this with time travel hand wavery, that they'd actually have to deal with the ramifications of this going forward. This is where this show said, "we are not afraid of shaking things up and dealing with the aftermath". I realized after a life of being a devoted Trek fan, that I actually liked this show more than Trek. That was a big moment for me.

I had a very similar moment. I was a regular DS9 watcher, though it was starting to wear on me a bit by season 4 with all the Klingon crapola, so I started watching Babylon 5 (in its 3rd season). When the episode Severed Dreams hit, I realized just how far superior this show was to Star Trek. Now, I won't spoil that episode for the guy going through it for his first time, but I just wanted to share that experience.
 
The best Babylon 5 episode to me was 'A Late Delivery From Avalon'. Mostly because of the well-written plot concerning the episode and the excellent acting on the part of Michael York(Logan's Run), himself. York's acting in this episode should have had him nominated for an Emmy. The character of David McIntyre(York)was one of the many links in the series story arc, and it would have been great to have seen him return in a future episode, or one of the other TV movies that were broadcasted on TNT. The character was way too cool for just one episode.

Except for Martin Sheen, Babylon 5 had a memorable share of guest stars. Michael Ansara, Michael Beck, David McCallum, Robert Foxworth, Walter Koenig, Judson Scott, Dwight Schultz, Malachi Throne, Ian McShane, Sarah Douglas, Robin Curtis, William Hayes(Midnight Express), and Paul Winfield among many others.

It was certainly better entertainment and if not better viewing than DS9 and Voyager, back in the 1990's.

Shame on the producers of DS9 for committing acts of plagarism and copyright infringement when B5 was beating them in the ratings.
 
I don't have the numbers but I'm pretty sure that B5 never came close to DS9's ratings. B5 was on the verge of cancellation every season.
 
@Expo67:

I think you might want to edit your post, as your reference of Michael York's role might qualify as a spoiler to Jeff O'Connor, as I'm pretty sure he hasn't watched that particular episode, yet.
 
I don't have the numbers but I'm pretty sure that B5 never came close to DS9's ratings. B5 was on the verge of cancellation every season.

Indeed... B5 was touch-and-go as far as renewal after every season. It was never a ratings hit, and I don't think it ever got close to DS9 in ratings.
 
I don't have the numbers but I'm pretty sure that B5 never came close to DS9's ratings. B5 was on the verge of cancellation every season.

Indeed... B5 was touch-and-go as far as renewal after every season. It was never a ratings hit, and I don't think it ever got close to DS9 in ratings.

Correct. DS9 consistently beat B5 in the ratings. Of course, DS9 had the Trek brand name, so that should hardly come as a surprise.
 
@Jan:

I didn't notice it my first time so I went back and it slapped me upside the head with its coolness. Very nice addition.

@The Lensman:

Fun tale. I've been in similar situations with a couple of shows, myself. A really flooring moment.

@Expo67:

I'd appreciate it if you'd refrain from posting spoilers without a tag in the future. I welcome conversation between the B5 vets but I'd really like to avoid it for obvious reasons. Thanks!

@Mr Light:

I, er... haven't said anything about that episode yet. O_o

@Kai "the spy":

Thanks for postin' that. It helped me avoid the actual spoilers!
 
Watched several. For good reason, too. Once I got to a particular episode I was unable to stop until a certain mini-arc had run its course. Three guesses.

"Voices of Authority"

No, I didn't dislike this episode! Although the whole thing with the woman from Earth wasn't something I particularly cared for, either. Julia Musante's actress didn't do much for me and her uber-crazy speech about Earth becoming some paradise seemed totally unbelievable. Okay, that's not what she said at all, granted, but there were some pretty ridiculous implications. The way she droned on about things 'back home' being so great, I was just like... 'yeah, sure.'

Ivanova showing up just in time to witness Musante's topless form was hilarious, though.

Speaking of Ivanova, much better plot there. It was great to see Draal again so soon and the whole thing about contacting First Ones got me super-stoked. The CG for Ivanova's 'journey' was terrific and the actual meeting with the aliens ("zog!") was nifty.

You know who else was nifty? Marcus. I'm really warming up to this guy. The bucket line was well-delivered, the interest in Susan was amusing... the man's actor is excellent. First chance to shine here in "Voices".

About that thing with Clark... gotta echo the words of TheGodBen here again. That footage seemed over-the-top to the point of being hard to swallow. I half-expected flashbacks to "Deathwalker" again with the camera panning in on the guy as he cackles fiendishly. Thankfully, that didn't happen.

Good to know the nice Mr. Morden has plenty of business, though. I like him. He seems so nice!

"Dust to Dust"

Bester! The crew outwitting Bester! Bester's motivations more closely analyzed! Bester, for all his sharpness and cunning, in a different light! Bester!

Oh, and drugs.

Actually, the drug thing was a bit of a snore for me. The criminals once again acted one-dimensional and the whole investigation didn't move me much. Which leaves the far and away most vital piece of this episode, the part that kept me going with enthusiasm... G'Kar.

Wow, he beat the crap out of Londo. All that mind-probing and Kosh's vision really propelled this episode forward there toward the end. G'Kar seems like a changed man from this experience, too. Fun stuff.

"Exogenesis"

Hey, look, it's one of those episodes a lot of people seem to hate. Turns out I like it a lot. Go figure, right?

Yeah, so the sentient slug thing wasn't the best but it did itself well enough justice. Being a big Stargate SG-1 fan I kept thinking of these little guys as Tok'ra once their (relative) decency replaced the fright factor of them as vile creatures.

What really sold this episode for me was twofold; Marcus being totally awesome with Franklin by his side for some fun and Ivanova being totally awesome with Corwin by her side for some fun.

Marcus is now one of my favorite characters. That didn't take long at all, did it? So many good lines here while he's trapped with Franklin and I adore his puppy-like thoughts regarding Ivanova. Jason Carter and Richard Biggs seem to have good chemistry together, too, and it really shows in their scenes.

Ivanova's thing with Corwin is a mixed bag I still enjoyed. The incident with the flowers is terrific comedy; Babylon 5 at its tongue-in-cheek best. The return of the coffee joke, the awkwardness of the whole predicament and Ivanova's somber shake of the head toward Sheridan at the end were all winners.

What I didn't buy so much were the commander's questions for Corwin. They seemed so vague, which is certainly understandable, but vague and blatant enough that it would be almost foolish not to respond the way Corwin did. Me, personally, yeah, I'd stand there and I'd tell her I'd fight for true justice no matter how in the dark I currently was. But Corwin responds the way most people would and I don't feel like this was a proper analysis.

All in all, good episode. I can't understand the hate.

I'm going to post the other episodes in a second message so this one doesn't drag endlessly.
 
"Messages from Earth"

Knockout punch number one.

Let me get the one thing that bothered me about the episode out of the way first: I felt like there was too much initial gravitas about Dr. Kirkish's arrival to address the group in the moments before we had an inkling of her relevance. Of course, it soon became apparent just how important she was, but the slow-motion work before she proved that felt a bit pretentious.

That's the only thing I can think of to criticize this hour, and even then it's definitely grasping at straws.

What an episode. The Shadows on Mars in what immediately reminded me of Mass Effect's Protheans on Mars, Sheridan drawing some very vivid lines while taking the White Star out for an incredible spin, Sheridan's scene concerning rain (I'm just like him in this regard; the rain really helps me sleep), G'Kar's book-writing enlightenment, the noose tightening in the Night Watch thread and last but certainly not least, Earth under Martial Law.

To say that this episode moved the plot along considerably would be an understatement indeed. There's so much heart in "Messages from Earth" and there's also some very impressive action. I was moved by the descent into Jupiter's atmosphere and clenched my fist victoriously when the Shadow ship was destroyed. And in a solid example of the fusion of heart and action, it had to be the Agamemnon.

"Point of No Return"

I had to go back and read a bit into this episode's synopsis while writing this because I was having trouble keeping up with what plot elements were here and not elsewhere. I think that's a pretty good example of why I find PoNR weaker than the other two (although it's still pretty damn good) -- it's just not as memorable for me overall.

The Night Watch stuff was stronger than ever. Garibaldi's got it rough with his personnel, eh? It's painful to think that so many betrayed him like that. There was some guy on his staff who they mentioned and showed a few times whose name was similar to mine... what was it, Jeff Connor or something. Real close, right? Well I saw him take the armband and sighed, then later when Garibaldi tried to convince him to back out and he pretended to look at his paperwork I felt oddly disappointed in myself. :alienblush:

Anyway, this whole thing with Lwaxana Troi (okay, okay, Lady Morella) coming to the station was both momentous and questionably-placed. I can respect JMS for showing us that even in the midst of all this human stuff, other cultures are going to be concerned with their own goings-on (as we'd be regarding them!) but I felt like it slowed the whole thing down a little too much.

Don't get me wrong, I found it all captivating. It was more insight into the possible future of Londo Mollari, and Morella's rather certain premonition that both Londo and Vir would one day hold the throne really intrigued me.

Sheridan's resolution of the Night Watch stuff left me a bit underwhelmed, although I'm impressed with his ability to work the system.

"Severed Dreams"

Knockout punch number two. No, to hell with that; championship title officially taken.

This is my favorite episode of the series thus far. The bar was raised several times throughout the first season but that wasn't all that hard to do, then again in "The Coming of Shadows", then with "In the Shadow of Zha'dum", then with "The Long, Twilight Struggle", then almost but not quite with "Messages from Earth" and now almost immediately thereafter with "Severed Dreams".

In short, it's going to take some mighty conviction on Straczynski's part to outdo himself this time.

I'm going to keep things simple because I've been dragging more than I'd intended with these past few mini-reviews. This episode was awesome. TGB was right to use George Takei's face for his reaction.

Delenn's return and taunting (and disbanding!?) of the Grey Council was superb. OWNED. Her statement to the Earth Force commanders was superb. OWNED. Man, what a quotable quote that was. And you know what? I've seen it in signatures on various message boards for as long as I've been visiting them. I can see why.

The whole last stand at Babylon 5 was exceptional. The action blew "Messages" out of the water and that was no simple task, especially in 1996. A lot of the character-based action scenes in this show look a little cut-and-dry but the space stuff never lets up.

I was disappointed to learn that General Hague had been killed. As I suspected, it had to do with actor unavailability. To think that Foxworth was booked (or bailed for a bigger paycheck, as JMS heatedly reported) because he was playing a member of a coup within the military on Deep Space Nine is effing hilarious, though.

Speaking of DS9, one scene that left me somewhat dissatisfied through no fault of its own was the conversation between Sheridan and his father. At face value it's terrific. So why was I a bit disappointed? Well, because it reminded me of Sisko's chats with his father. (Someone we first met during that Foxworth two-parter, I might add; go frelling figure...) And without the immediately-grabbing personality of the elder Sisko it didn't hold the same oomph to me. Kind of silly, I know, and I love how we got to see the man after Sheridan talked him up several times. Still a terrific scene.

The ISN stuff, specifically that final scene where the male reporter interjects at the female reporter's behest, floored me. What was it he was about to say? Man, this show gives me the chills sometimes.

Yeah, you'd better clap, people. Sheridan (and crew!) deserve all the praise they can get right now. I've never been a big superhero fan but I think I just found someone to look up to.
 
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