Was there a Klingon battlecruiser at Wolf 359?

[CorporalCaptain]

I always took it to mean the Enterprise was the 40th ship. They were supposed to join the battle, but it was already over when they arrived.

From http://www.chakoteya.net/NextGen/175.htm:

HANSON [on monitor]: Your engagements have given us valuable time. We've mobilised a fleet of forty starships at Wolf three five nine, and that's just for starters. The Klingons are sending warships. Hell, we've even thought about opening communications with the Romulans.​

Hanson differentiates "you" from "we" (boldfaced), so it's a stretch for Hanson to be thinking of the Enterprise as a part of the fleet of starships that have been mobilized at Wolf 359.

 

[JesterFace]

After reading the replies above, this came to mind:

Maybe the 40th ship was some ship that started collecting escape pods early on when it was clear that the Borg would just slice and dice Federation ships. Perhaps that ship picked up Benjamin and Jake too, then warped away to save what was left of the fleet.

Well, that was just fanfic mumbojumbo.

 

[JesterFace]

Maybe the 40th ship was some ship that started collecting escape pods early on when it was clear that the Borg would just slice and dice Federation ships. Perhaps that ship picked up Benjamin and Jake too, then warped away to save what was left of the fleet.

Quoting myself here because I made a thread in the DS9 board if Niners have any more information about this, perhaps fanfic or something? Might be worth checking out, if anyone replies.

https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/how-did-ben-and-jake-escape-wolf-359.297335/

 

[Dukhat]

There are lots of possibilities. Since we don’t actually know how many survivors there were, a lone warp-capable shuttlecraft or runabout from one of the main ships could have collected all the people and then got out of Dodge. They could also have extended their warp field to encompass the escape pods so that they could have all warped away. A Klingon ship or ships participating in the battle could have rescued them. Or to take both Hansen and Satie literally, there could have been one Starfleet ship that escaped and rescued the survivors. There were 40 ships but we only know the names of a quarter of them.

 

[matthunter]

The "escaping ship" idea is also partly due to Janeway's consultation of the logs of the Endeavor's captain, which might imply the Endeavor fought the Borg at Wolf 359. Either the captain escaped in a lifepod or the Endeavor made it out. The TNG comics ran with the idea that the ship survived albeit heavily damaged and losing half her crew. The only implication in Janeway's scene is that the Endeavor captain faced the Borg at SOME encounter prior to 2371 when Voyager was thrown into the Delta Quadrant.

 

[Timo]

Whatever speculation we engage on regarding the Borg, we must postulate either adventures where Picard played no role, or then Picard adventures we never got to see. After all, Picard is adamant that the Borg "advance" and Starfleet "retreats", "falls back", lets "entire planets" get assimilated. We never see stuff like that happen to Picard: even at the Argolis Cluster, the Starfleet role isn't one of retreating, but merely of failing to advance...

And the Borg really are everywhere. If nutcases like Hansens can meet them, any number of Starfleet captains could, too. It doesn't take special involvement by Q or anything. So Amisov could well have had a very personal encounter with the cyborgs. I mean, if the Endeavor just also-ran at Wolf 359, why would Janeway be interested in that and not in Picard's much closer encounter and deeper degree of expertise?

Timo Saloniemi

 

[matthunter]

I mean, if the Endeavor just also-ran at Wolf 359, why would Janeway be interested in that and not in Picard's much closer encounter and deeper degree of expertise?

Well, there's still some degree of suspicion that Picard's view might be colored by his assimilation. Anyway, as a scientist, I'd never rely on a single citation for a lit review...

 

[Timo]

To play the Devil's avocado to myself, Janeway does say she has studied the Borg incidents from "Q Who?" to "BoBWII". Is there a reason she's omitting "I, Borg" and "Descent"? If so, she might be omitting everything that didn't involve Picard - as nothing Borg-related appeared to happen between "Q Who?" and "BoBW" to anybody in Starfleet. At least not to anybody who would have survived to tell the tale.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[matthunter]

To play the Devil's avocado to myself, Janeway does say she has studied the Borg incidents from "Q Who?" to "BoBWII". Is there a reason she's omitting "I, Borg" and "Descent"? If so, she might be omitting everything that didn't involve Picard - as nothing Borg-related appeared to happen between "Q Who?" and "BoBW" to anybody in Starfleet. At least not to anybody who would have survived to tell the tale.

Timo Saloniemi

Well, if you want examples of dealing with the Collective, neither I, Borg or Descent are particularly useful since they featured individualised Borg.

 

[JesterFace]

Well, if you want examples of dealing with the Collective, neither I, Borg or Descent are particularly useful since they featured individualised Borg.

But there might be something worth learning from individualised Borg, especially Hugh.