Was there a "GOOD" reason why Neelix left at the 11th hour?

[MrPointy]

Re: Was there a "GOOD" reason why Neelix left at the 11th ho

I imagine the writers weren't going to Neelix any opinion as to what'd happen if Voyager reaching Earth if he was on the ship in Endgame. At least Neelix got a decent sendoff, even if it stretched logic to breaking point.

Guy Gardener said:
I would love to compare Dorn and Beltrans reactions about being thrust unexpectedly into the arms of the screen hotty at the last minute? Well Dorn was less so surprised, and apparantly he cried until they moved the plot in this direction because it's unthinkable that Worf isn't getting any.

Kira's hot too goddammit! Although probably not Worf's type.

Worf got with Jadzia at the beginning of season 5, so there was 2 years worth of competent relationship drama out of that arc. It didn't seem like something of a kneejerk reaction from the writers to a request from Dorn.

Chakotay and Seven got about 2 1/2 eps of screentime (Human Error, Natural Law and Endgame).

Since Worf ended up with so many main cast members (Troi, Jadzia, the Ezri fling), do you think he'd have hooked up with Seven of Nine if Michael Dorn got cast on Voyager? Don't ask me how that would happen.

 

[Kegek]

Re: Was there a "GOOD" reason why Neelix left at the 11th ho

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Simple. The residue of quantum signature he acquired from "Parallels" was modified to prevent him from transversing universes, but had the unfortunate side effect of making it a method of travesing space and time. It lies dormant as its biochemical strcuture searches for the most distant sign of Klingon DNA for it to react to. When it finds it, Worf shifts from Qo'nos onto Voyager with B'Elanna. The Doc repairs the damage and removes the residue, but that means Worf is stuck with the Voyager crew thoughout seasons six and seven, where he becomes their Chief of Stragetic Whatever.

He'd get on very well with Seven, of course () and probably get into lots of arguments with Torres about Klingon tradition. And basically emasculate Chakotay even more, if such a thing could be considered possible.

 

[Guy Gardener]

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Mr Pointy, I WAS talking about the TNG final with Dorn and Marina being a parallel to the Voyager finale with Chuckles and the Borgette. DS9 was outstanding with the development of romantic relationships and running with them. There was this two year period where every writer forgot to remind me that Tom and B'Elanna were dating.

I have even heard it suggested that Neelix never consummated his relationship with Kes, even though she managed to get one of her organs right up inside him... Lung transplant folkes . So really that means that he would be one of those rare people who think love is more important than sex.

 

[exodus]

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Guy Gardener said:

exodus said:

Plus, I see alien space and borders like you would a map. Let just say Texas is Borg space. If you're traveling from Cali.( equal to the Delta Q.) to New Jersey(equal to the Alpha Q.), do you have to pass thru Texas to get to your destination?

If the person/being making such a journey was a puppy in some children's adventure movie, or to even more so make the distances involved comparable, an ant with 5 broken legs.

It doesn't take anyone 40 years to get anywhere on earth any more which is the time it should have taken them to get there baring shortcuts and magic tricks.

I didn't know the Talaxians had a time limit to get there. Besides, it still doesn't address the fact that if you can travel the Alpha Quaderant and find a Klingon almost every where you go, why is it so hard to believe you'd find Talaxians everywhere in their native quaderant of space? Especially if Talaxians have become semi-nomadic.

 

[The Borg Queen]

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Why didn't Voyager find any El Aurian people in the Delta Quadrant?

 

[Timo]

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Besides, it still doesn't address the fact that if you can travel the Alpha Quaderant and find a Klingon almost every where you go, why is it so hard to believe you'd find Talaxians everywhere in their native quaderant of space?

To be sure, we've never heard of anybody traveling much in the Alpha Quadrant.

Within the borders of the UFP, sure. Just outside those borders, sure. But never more than a couple of hundred or perhaps thousand ly from Earth, save for the single occasion of "Q Who?" where they went about 7,000 ly.

Clearly the Talaxians are superior star travelers in that respect. Doesn't mean they would have faster ships or anything, though. They just have greater wanderlust.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[DarthTom]

Guy Gardener said:
So what did TPTB think was happening thematically and what the hell was happening behind the scenes... I suppose the episode could have been a "bribe" after the Producers decided they didn't have time for Neelix in Endgame as easily as there was something wrong with Ethan?

My impression as to why they did this is several of the episodes as they marched to the end of the series, I viewed as 'filler episodes' to the series Finale. I'd wager that when they planned season 7, they started with End Game and worked backwards. So, Neelix leaving was simply another back fill to the finale.

 

[exodus]

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Timo said:

Besides, it still doesn't address the fact that if you can travel the Alpha Quaderant and find a Klingon almost every where you go, why is it so hard to believe you'd find Talaxians everywhere in their native quaderant of space?

To be sure, we've never heard of anybody traveling much in the Alpha Quadrant.

Within the borders of the UFP, sure. Just outside those borders, sure. But never more than a couple of hundred or perhaps thousand ly from Earth, save for the single occasion of "Q Who?" where they went about 7,000 ly.

Clearly the Talaxians are superior star travelers in that respect. Doesn't mean they would have faster ships or anything, though. They just have greater wanderlust.

Timo Saloniemi

The example used is Klingons.

Klingons have been traveling space far longer than StarFleet. Being that Klingons aren't part of the UFP, the example you used for boarders doesn't apply. Klingons have even traveled as far as the Delta Q., so it would be easy to figure they've traveled a larger percentage of the Alpha Q. over the Federation.

 

[Navaros]

I interpreted it to mean that in the minds of the showrunners, Neelix was the only interesting character on the show and therefore the only character on the show who was worthy to have some sort of a story.

 

[Guy Gardener]

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WTF DarthTom?!!? Season seven was planned? They like figured out what episodes they wanted to make and then decided upon the most entertaining order to play them in to tell a conducive story about the return to earth and all the characters growing up and finalizing their ongoing development? Wow! I had assumed that each script was written the night before filming started since it was also so choppy and disconnected.

Looking at Author Author however, being so close to the end, and just as possibly as out as Neelix's "Gary Cooper" homage that has to be kind of crippling for the Doctor to find out that he isn't a real person and that he will be replaced as easily as anyone else in the first wives club for a younger model. That should have been motivation for him to spaz out and ensure all humans must die? But no.

...Well the Klingon vessel was a generational ship, even though Klingon's do live for a very long time baring idiocy, none of that crew were alive back when the ship originally set off from Klingon space. That's called paying your dues.

I've already admitted that I don't know how long it took the Talaxians to get to where they did, but it's suggested they fled the Haakonian invasion of 2356, which Neelix draft dodged as a younger man, so it can't have taken them the hundred or so years they would have needed to safely chart a course around Borg Space... And after all that, this "rock" is where they decided it was "as good as it gets" where they had been there for 5 years, after already setting up another failed colony where they driven offworld by an already dominant indigenous culture... They'd barely had the time at hand to have traveled 4 thousand light years, god forbid 40 thousand light years.

I highly suspect they just fell through a wormholenear the beginning of their journey and Borg space was never an issue.

 

[Admiral_Young]

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I was actually kind of disapointed that Neelix left the ship and was appointed Federation Ambassador to the Delta Qudrant by Janeway. I kind of felt he should've come back with the crew since they are his new family...and leaving Naomi like that. In fact I don't remember Naomi even being in this episode?

 

[Guy Gardener]

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Yeah. She was there.

It was like in Annie when Daddy Warbucks was saying he didn't want a girl, that what he really wanted was a boy...Except that every one was happy for Neelix and agreed with him as he went to raise that girls kid while they played hide the sausage... Which is all the evidence I will ever get that Sam and Neelix were doing it, that you always "tip" the Nanny for a good job.

 

[exodus]

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Admiral_Young said:
I was actually kind of disapointed that Neelix left the ship and was appointed Federation Ambassador to the Delta Qudrant by Janeway. I kind of felt he should've come back with the crew since they are his new family...and leaving Naomi like that. In fact I don't remember Naomi even being in this episode?

Voyager was his family like mother(Janeway) & father (Chakotay) with sisters and brothers(Tom, Harry, Be'Lanna.....). He left them for a family of his own, where he's now the father of a son and husband to a lady Talaxian. The point was to show Neelix had grown as a person.

 

[kimc]

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Guy Gardener said:
Mr Pointy, I WAS talking about the TNG final with Dorn and Marina being a parallel to the Voyager finale with Chuckles and the Borgette.

Actually the Work/Troi pairing had a lot more buildup than C/7. A lot of people were ticked about it but it was presented in a way that made sense so even though I preferred Riker/Troi I could live with it.

C/7 on the other hand...

Back to thread topic, I can't think of any good reason to leave Neelix behind. Besides, it's pretty implausible that Talaxians would be so far away from their home world anyway. Unless they found a wormhole?

 

[exodus]

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Is everybody forgetting that Guinan made it to Earth back in the late 18 to early 1900 to meet Mark Twain or that she made it back again centuries later as a refugee from the Borg?

If Guinan can find a way to do that, I don't think it's so hard to believe a entire group of Talaxians can make it at least half way thru their own native quaderant. Talaxians are traders after all. If Voyager can trade for technology to build a slip steam drive, Talaxians can trade to up grade their engines as well.

Most of the Delta Quaderant species Voyager encountered consisted of 3 types, traders, trackers & predators. Talaxians appeared to be well skilled in the first two. Which means they are skilled in ways to survive and over come obsticales.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

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And who's to say the Talaxians didn't engage in the equivalent of hitchhiking to get to their new home? If they are shrewd and resourceful traders, that would be a pretty natural thing to do.

Maybe the writers don't deserve that much credit, but it's not too hard to rationalize away the presence of Talaxians so far from their homeworld.

 

[The Borg Queen]

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exodus said:
Is everybody forgetting that Guinan made it to Earth back in the late 18 to early 1900 to meet Mark Twain or that she made it back again centuries later as a refugee from the Borg?

Yeah, but my theory is that the El Aurians are the ones whom the Borg assimilated Transwarp technology from.

As for why none of the survivors shared Transwarp tech with the Federations... well, would you know how to build a rocket ship? Do you imagine your average Federation civilian would know how to build a Warp Drive? The El Aurian refugees are most likely just ordinary civilians, since they're the ones most likely to become refugees (I expect).

That would also explain how the El Aurians were "scattered" across the galaxy by the Borg. Imagine if your El Aurian civilisation operated a tourism/travel thing across the whole galaxy, after the Borg assimilated the homeworld and took control of transwarp, everyone who was out and about taking in the sights of the Milky Way would be left stranded, and scattered across the galaxy...

 

[Guy Gardener]

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In the script to this story, the girl said that they had a convoy of 6 ships which got them to this asteroid, and that they had recycled 5 of those ships to make the colony.

They were under their own power, but got slapped around so badly on the first planet they had tried to colonize, that they just wanted to hide where they assumed no one would bother them.