Was the Doctor "too human"???

[Guy Gardener]

After they made their Doctor they just had to tell the mass fabricating computer to make sure that it could defeat Data.

Moriarty was able to make the Countess real, so the "process" wasn't unique.

No one but Kes, a fucking child, thought that the doctor was real until they all contracted objectophelia and humanized the pompous idjit. If Kes hadn't started the ball rolling, no one would have got on board for this hippy way of life.

listen to them talk.

they think voyager is a person with feelings.

Not the ships computer, but the duranium hull plating and the carpeted decks they're walking on.

Did the Doctor make his wife and children real?

If he reset that program, was the little girl always going to die after B'Elanna added her edits to the program?

In the back of his head, Riker was deeply in love with a hologram he met in season one of TNG because she seemed "SO REAL" that lasted for four years until he got shamed into shelfing that masturbatory aid from his wank bank.

These people do not know how ducks walk.

 

[Sindatur]

Geeze Guy, now, I'll never be able to get that image out of my head.

Riker walks up to the Holodeck, "Computer, run Riker Masturbatory Program 115"

 

[Guy Gardener]

In 11001001, Riker and Picard were flirting with a with a sultry barfly called Minuette while Enterprise was being stolen by morons. Minuette put little Jean luc and little Billy in charge so well that the Captin and the XO wouldn't have noticed if aliens stole their ship and drove it half way across thegalaxy. 4 years later in Future Imperfect Riker has some Syphilis that erases the last 15 years of his memory, meaning that the world of 2383 is playing host to the Riker of 2368. Now Captian of the Enterprise, Will meets his son, which is a bit of a shock, but what's really confusing is the old home movies of his dead wife... Minuette.

Apparantly the alien creating this flase reality, posing as Rikers child, looking for a father to raise him, used a woman from from Will's past who the monkey had intense ongoing felling of love for who Rikers memories she was generated from, forgot to include as her most representative aspects that she wasn't real.



It's pretty obvious that Riker wrote the original fairhaven program based on his sexcapades witht he up the long ladder people... Besides after watching Dee shave his back in the bath tub half way through Nemesis, I am totally desensitized to anything Riker can do quasisexually.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

The consequences of an engineered, sentient labour class was only briefly touched upon inthe series, at the end of "Author, Author" when we see the poor MK-1 EMH's being used as miners.

And that ethical element would be greatly reduced if you reprogrammed how those MK-1's looked so they were just big metal boxes with arms and no visible faces. Stick some mining tools into their arms and you have a better miner anyway.

listen to them talk.

they think voyager is a person with feelings.

Not the ships computer, but the duranium hull plating and the carpeted decks they're walking on.

Kirk started that with all his infatuation with the Enterprise.

It all comes back to men and their cars.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Men treat their cars like drunk sluts.

Women treat their cars like beloved friends.

You know which is worse.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Never met a guy with his car on a pedestal?

 

[Guy Gardener]

I've never met a car that can do the ironing.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

The trick is to put plastic bags between your shirts and the tires.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I thought the real thing to remember is that if you try to iron your clothes at speeds in excess of 88 miles an hour, that you're going to see some serious shit.

 

[Lighthammer]

First I feel obligated to point out we saw evidence outright of use of Holodecks for sexual related programs in TNG, well before DS9. I suggest you read between the lines in the episode The Perfect Mate.

As for the Doctor and Sentience: on the most basic level humans aren't even sentient from a psychological stand point until they become self aware. That doesn't happen at birth.

You have to keep in mind, the true test for sentience is "Are you self aware". That's, at the very least, the first criteria you have to meet. The Doctor is OBVIOUSLY self aware as he understands his relationship between himself and the crew and actively works to improve himself. He obviously has ambitions to expand upon his programming to become better the he is, qualifying him for the second test of sentience.

Keep in mind, we've seen sentience in a holodeck character long before The Doctor back in the TNG episode Elementary, Dear Data.

If you follow the expanded universe, The Doctor DOES continue his fight to prove he is sentient and is eventually awarded an official Star Fleet commission and the rank of Lt. Cmdr.

 

[Guy Gardener]

The expanded universe is fanwank.

Moriarty said it is sentient?

Why should anyone believe it?

Inventing a hologram that thinks that he is sentient is way easier than inventing a sentient hologram.

I mean, I've always said that I am a woman, but I could have always been lying.

What if I was a man?

Isn't it possible that if I played the game just right, I could convince you that I have meat and two vege between my legs?

That's what programming is.

Being forced to unwaveringly believe in some "anything".

The Doctor has programmed to be loud about his spiritual request to attain the rights of sentient being, but mark me, theirs a fail safe that erase those desires, for when his cute useless struggle stops being funny or might even be a little dangerous.

Ransom turned "it" into a Mengelesian butcher just by removing its decency.

If it could think, it should be able to work out logically, despite it's programming, that cutting into Sevens brain is wrong with out cheat-sheet ethical subroutines, but it couldn't.

 

[AJH]

I did find it amusing that The Doctor would be teaching Seven of Nine the ways of humanity when he was a hologram.

 

[Guy Gardener]

He had presets.

Presets that had been vetted, monitored, cautioned, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed and numbered by a board of censors and scientists who job it was to monitor, authenticate and enforce normal behaviour, or do you think the Federation isn't afraid of an AI apocalypse, or just the spread of harsh language and sexual themes to minors?

If Seven had gone to Tom Paris or even Janeway, their personal sense of right and wrong was just stuff they made up, and could hardly hve been ratified by the moral leaders of humanity unlike the personality that had been built for the Doctor to limit his rage at being held as a slave by inferior beings.

The Doctor didn't need humanity, or to mix with humanity to regurgitate his programming about humaneesianisms to Anika, however I have no idea why she didn't just download his interpersonal routines and integrate them within herself like Arnie in Total recall, because it would have saved so much time and he wouldn't have tried to play grab ass, unless she was afraid that the Doctors programming might still try to grab her ass from inside her head?

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

I'm sure she could adapt to molesting herself if it came to that.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Do you think the Chakotay hologram was set to random?

She programmed him without any margins for error to do exactly what she assumed she liked.

The real question is how much liberty did the Doctor take with Seven's chassis in Body and Soul? the attraction he felt for that girl? was that the biochemistry in seven pushing his program or his program pushing her biochemistry?

Not that it's not impossible that his randy little needs were having no effect on Sevens "feelings" or horniness indicators, you know the flushing or this or the heaving of that, in so to suggest that the Doctor was soldiering on with bored, unenthused biology towards the bedroom like he'd been married for 35 years.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Of course she did, random is anathema to perfection.

Bet she got a shock when it was reality time.

 

[Guy Gardener]

She would have had the Hologram teach the real Chakotay how to be a better Chakotay.

In all likeliness they'd need a Holoseven for real Chakotay to practice on before the HoloChakotay gives the real Chajotay a green light for the real thing