Was Tasha Yar (as a character) basically irrelevant because of Worf?

[sonak]

Re: Was Tasha Yar (as a character) basically irrelevant because of Wor

Trek may have done it, but it's still silly for a high-ranking security chief who's also tactical officer to be off fighting random intruders. That's a job for his "deputies."

 

[MacLeod]

Re: Was Tasha Yar (as a character) basically irrelevant because of Wor

Agreed Sonak, I would have thought the Chief's job was to manage his team.

 

[Vanyel]

Re: Was Tasha Yar (as a character) basically irrelevant because of Wor

Trek may have done it, but it's still silly for a high-ranking security chief who's also tactical officer to be off fighting random intruders. That's a job for his "deputies."

Agreed Sonak, I would have thought the Chief's job was to manage his team.

The Security Chief managing his team, even from the bridge, would take him away from weapons.

 

[MacLeod]

Re: Was Tasha Yar (as a character) basically irrelevant because of Wor

^Wouldn't that be micro-managing. The Security's chief should be trained well enough to respond to intruder alarms/red alerts etc.. Without the chief getting on the intercom to say go to deck 12 section 10. If they absolutly need the chief they can call for him.

Remember Security Chief basically means head of department. The head of department is responsible for making sure that department runs and reporting any problems up the chain of command.

 

[sonak]

Re: Was Tasha Yar (as a character) basically irrelevant because of Wor

^Wouldn't that be micro-managing. The Security's chief should be trained well enough to respond to intruder alarms/red alerts etc.. Without the chief getting on the intercom to say go to deck 12 section 10. If they absolutly need the chief they can call for him.

Remember Security Chief basically means head of department. The head of department is responsible for making sure that department runs and reporting any problems up the chain of command.

exactly. Trek has funny ideas about what department heads do. I'm guessing it's because a lot of the writers don't have extensive familiarity with the military, but yeah, department heads don't run off to micromanage every little problem that comes up.

 

[ImCaptKirk]

Re: Was Tasha Yar (as a character) basically irrelevant because of Wor

I think they could have worked together as Lance said by dividing Security and Tactical with a bit of overlay between the two, or maybe having Tactical a division under Security.

During battle, Tasha could have been handling phasers, picking targets letting Picard know weapons status, and Worf the photons and shields and relaying their status. I, for one, never saw why 1 person handled both sets of weapons. Dividing them would have made "Fire all weapons" a better options as each could have picked a target area and fired.

Intruder alert would only have Tasha leaving weapons. When the bridge was boarded, like in The High Ground, you would have had 2 armed people ready to take on the boarders. Worf could have left to protect Picard (that could have been his assigned duty as well) leaving Tasha to handle the intruders.

There was plenty of room for both characters.

In the 24th century weapons will acquire targets on their own, without officers. So we don't need either character. Having two would have been silly, and none of the other series had more than one.

 

[Vanyel]

Re: Was Tasha Yar (as a character) basically irrelevant because of Wor

^Wouldn't that be micro-managing. The Security's chief should be trained well enough to respond to intruder alarms/red alerts etc.. Without the chief getting on the intercom to say go to deck 12 section 10. If they absolutly need the chief they can call for him.

Remember Security Chief basically means head of department. The head of department is responsible for making sure that department runs and reporting any problems up the chain of command.

^Wouldn't that be micro-managing. The Security's chief should be trained well enough to respond to intruder alarms/red alerts etc.. Without the chief getting on the intercom to say go to deck 12 section 10. If they absolutly need the chief they can call for him.

Remember Security Chief basically means head of department. The head of department is responsible for making sure that department runs and reporting any problems up the chain of command.

exactly. Trek has funny ideas about what department heads do. I'm guessing it's because a lot of the writers don't have extensive familiarity with the military, but yeah, department heads don't run off to micromanage every little problem that comes up.

Security was managed from the bridge. Several episodes have Picard or Riker telling Worf where the intruders were, setting up force fields and trying to get transporter locks. Wouldn't that be micro management too?

Perhaps the Security Chief shouldn't be leading the troops, but rather managing her officers either out in the field or from the bridge. From the bridge I would imagine would be the best place for the Security Chief to manage, so he can give information to the Captain and XO.

 

[Maurice]

Re: Was Tasha Yar (as a character) basically irrelevant because of Wor

Much of this has to do with giving the regulars stuff to do, regardless if it makes logical sense. You have a limited number of cast members so they end up doing multiple jobs so they can be worth the money being paid. That said, it's silly how shows have senior staff directing things they shouldn't. Once the Captain gives the order to fire on a vessel or capture an intruder, s/he should realistically shut up and let the trained professionals do their jobs. It should be Worf reporting that the intruder has been detected in section such-and-such and that he's doing this-and-that to trap them, not Riker telling him what sections to seal off.

 

[sonak]

Re: Was Tasha Yar (as a character) basically irrelevant because of Wor

Much of this has to do with giving the regulars stuff to do, regardless if it makes logical sense. You have a limited number of cast members so they end up doing multiple jobs so they can be worth the money being paid. That said, it's silly how shows have senior staff directing things they shouldn't. Once the Captain gives the order to fire on a vessel or capture an intruder, s/he should realistically shut up and let the trained professionals do their jobs. It should be Worf reporting that the intruder has been detected in section such-and-such and that he's doing this-and-that to trap them, not Riker telling him what sections to seal off.

Yeah, or having Riker doing nothing but sitting on the bridge and giving orders redundantly alongside Picard. No wonder they made him the frequent away team leader, it gave him something to actually do.

 

[Cyke101]

Re: Was Tasha Yar (as a character) basically irrelevant because of Wor

I think it's analogous to the X-Men when they brought in the new team of Storm, Colossus, Nightcrawler, Thunderbird, and Wolverine. There wasn't really a lot of difference between Thunderbird and Wolvie, especially personality-wise, plus Wolverine had those freaky claws, so guess who now has to die horribly for the sake of the team? It ain't the Canuck with the muttonchops.

Off topic, but I always thought Thunderbird was killed off because he wasn't:
-as ferocious as Wolverine (as you correctly point out)
-as strong as Colossus
-as quick as Nightcrawler

And even then, he was killed before any of that could be proven, too -- his third issue! Yikes.

 

[Tribble Herder]

Re: Was Tasha Yar (as a character) basically irrelevant because of Wor

It's almost like his mutant ability was being a jerk.