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Was recasting EVERYONE in the first movie a mistake?

Jon1701

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Ok, so we dont really know whether we'll see everyone in the first movie - although this seems likely. The casting people are working overtime on this movie. Must be a few sleepless nights in that dept.

Hard enough to cast one iconic character, let alone Seven!

In most movies you have a blank page to start from. Even the Batman prequel featured characters that we'd only really seen from the comics. I know we can be a fickle bunch at times, but to be honest I hope they hold back a little. It seems that the script demanded it, but I cant help thinking it would have been better to save the lesser characters for the sequels. Focus on Kirk, Spock & McCoy for this movie, worry about the others later.

Thoughts?

There's no pleasing us no matter what they do... :D
 
Of course, we don't know how big the roles of Uhura, Chekov, and the rest are (the "little four"). They are obviously needed for the story, but I would be surprised if the characters play roles as big as they did TVH or TUC.

It pretty much seems to be a Spock movie. Who knows how big a role Kirk even plays in it? Let alone McCoy.
 
I agree with the sentiment here - I wouldn't wish this casting job on a dog, because we know fandom will explode no matter who is chosen.

And a case could be made that there really is no need to cast several of the TOS characters here. According to the current information, this film is supposed to take place prior to Where No Man has Gone Before, either during or around the time of Kirk's first mission. Based upon the crew as seen in Where No Man, therefore, Uhura, Chekov and McCoy could and even perhaps should be omitted. (That said, of course, there's never been any canonical explanation for why Piper was CMO in Where No Man; the novel Strangers from the Sky suggests McCoy was on leave for whatever reason. And there's actually some retroactive precedent if you look at Beverly Crusher being temporarily replaced by Pulaski in TNG). Of course having Chekov established as being a crewmember before WNM in a canonical prequel would address the continuity fart in Wrath of Khan.

Having said all that, however, this film once again is not intended for "us". It's intended for people who perhaps haven't seen a Star Trek film since they retired the original crew back in Star Trek 6. Or perhaps people who have never bothered to see TNG, etc. but who still know the TOS originals. So they expect -- continuity be damned -- to see the classic characters. And that's what Paramount plans to do.

The only problem is that the prequel is gonna face the same jackpot ENT faced, with some of the more vocal fans confusing "canon" with "fanon". An example were all those who claimed up and down that ENT violated canon by having T'Pol become a member of Starfleet because either a novel or fan assumption was that Spock was the first; when TOS came out on DVD it was reported in this forum that someone went through the whole series and the movies and found no on-screen reference to Spock being the first Vulcan in Starfleet (the first to join the ACADEMY, perhaps). I'm expecting similar complaints if Trek XI takes place before Where No Man and features McCoy, or puts Sulu on the bridge instead of down in hydroponics or whereever he worked in WNM. Fans and novelists have spent more than 40 years "filling in the blanks", and as the reaction to some aspects of ENT proved, people get upset when "official" Trek doesn't jive. I've already seen a complaint that the film isn't going to follow the storyline of Vonda McIntire's "Enterprise: The First Adventure", for example, thereby rendering it utterly un-canonable, the same way ENT rendered Starfleet Year One completely moot, upsetting fans of that book/prospective series. And fan debate still rages over the Rhiannsu books, which diverged so much from on-screen canon that Pocket Books had to add disclaimers to the reprints.

Cheers!

Alex
 
My uninformed guess is that this movie hops around a bit in time and that there may be one or two scenes that take place during the five-year mission - either recollections of Spock's or some kind of Billy-Spock-Has-Come-Unstuck-In-Time sequence - that require brief appearences by the TOS group on the bridge of the Enterprise. McCoy, Sulu, Chekov and Uhura may appear only in those scenes.
 
Professor Moriarty said:
ST_Intergalactic said:
When I saw this thread title, I thought you were going to make a case for letting some of old cast retain their roles.
Star Trek XII: So Very Tired :D

"Captain's Log, Stardate 6051: Had trouble sleeping last night... my hiatal hernia is acting up. The ship is drafty and damp; I complain, but nobody listens. ..."

:D
 
^ :guffaw:

seriously though, I see your point. I'm not sure I would have gone with the complete recast first time out either - just recast 3 of the characters (kirk, spock, perhaps not even McCoy as the 3rd) and then let the other 4 be introduced later, maybe one near the end of this film but most in the inevitable sequel. Not only is the recast a real bitch for such iconic characters but introducing 7 main characters in one film is notoriously difficult to pull off - whatever happens, someone will get left out. Think Gate McFadden in the TNG movies. And that's instantly fodder for bad fan reaction.
 
There were only three main characters in TOS - Kirk, Spock and McCoy.

It's reasonable to expect that the others will have little to do - Sulu and Chekov, in particular, may be there mainly to say "warp five, sir" and so forth. This would be true to their importance in TOS.
 
UWC Defiance said:
There were only three main characters in TOS - Kirk, Spock and McCoy.

It's reasonable to expect that the others will have little to do - Sulu and Chekov, in particular, may be there mainly to say "warp five, sir" and so forth. This would be true to their importance in TOS.

I hope you're correct, tbh. But i suspect that, given the inflation of their actual roles which has occurred over time, the temptation will be for the writers to increase their presence from their actual TOS screentime to a starring role.
 
Well, none of them had starring roles in the TOS-based movies, either. At most they got the occasional decent supporting part - Chekov and Sulu in ST II and VI respectively - but none were ever in danger of becoming Number Four.
 
UWC Defiance said:
There were only three main characters in TOS - Kirk, Spock and McCoy.

It's reasonable to expect that the others will have little to do - Sulu and Chekov, in particular, may be there mainly to say "warp five, sir" and so forth. This would be true to their importance in TOS.

Yeah, it might be going too far to say that Nichols, Takei, Koenig, and Doohan made their roles iconic. They were very familiar, maybe. Comfortable. But not iconic.

It also wouldn't make sense to discard a story that needed everyone in it just because of the need to recast all at once.

Frankly, it also hasn't seemed to be that big a deal. Quinto was a slam dunk, and no one seems disappointed in the other two cast so far. I'd think there are plenty of good character actors who resemble a young Doohan or a young Takei to choose from.
None of those characters were ever so developed on screen that it should cause great difficulty in casting them, either.
Actually, the two hardest to cast out of who's left are Kirk and McCoy (if McCoy's in it).

Nobody's going to say (well, maybe not nobody) that the movie sucked just because the actor who played Sulu didn't play him right.
 
Franklin said:
Nobody's going to say (well, maybe not nobody) that the movie sucked just because the actor who played Sulu didn't play him right.

Hell, one of the complaints about ST:TMP was that the actor who played Kirk didn't play him right. :lol:
 
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