Or... When they saw her tiny fragile little child mind trying to talk to them, they decided to give her a good scare, hoping that Voyager would bugger off, so they could finish off the Borg in private.
Was Janeway wrong in Scorpion?
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Thats why I started this thread. I watched "Hope and Fear" and when Arcturius set the Dauntless on a course for the borg, and explained to Janeway why he was doing it...She never batted an eye really, he just told her she had a major hand in the death of billions. and she couldn't even feel wrong about it, instead she actually tried to rationlize her actions to him...lol...and the way the ep. was shot, we as the audience were supposed to feel that Arcturius was the bad guy, and that Janeway was just and right. I know she offered him passage on her ship, but can you blame him for what he did? and Janeway is self-rightous, she had the nerve to talk down to him. How she handled it and what she said just kinda ticked me off.
When Chikotay got started on his long-winded, boring Scorpion Legend, just to echo what he'd already told her about his thoughts about this proposed Unholy Alliance ... he made Janeway's eyes fill up, her lower lip quivered and her voice was weak and breaking ... "I'm alone, after all." Chakotay broke her heart and hurt their friendship, when he should've been behind her 100%. It's one thing to point out alternatives ... to express a contradictory point of view ... even to disagree. But, in the end, he should've told her, "This is the plan of a bold and daring woman! But even though I also think it's crazy and we're probably going to regret it ... I want you to know also, that I couldn't be more in your corner, Kathryn. We're going to get through this ... together."
^In ST, the captain always listened to and valued the advice of his colleagues and crew, even when they disagreed vociferously. Only Janeway became dramatic when one officer deigned to disagree. Moreover, she labelled him as disloyal, even though he affirmed that he would carry out her orders. It made her look weak.
Possibly ... but it might also suggest that she still doesn't trust Chakotay, entirely. She still views him as bedding the "enemy" as far as being a freedom fighter and, perhaps, being more supportive of his own remaining rebels, than her own STARFLEET crew. Just as an aside here, for a moment ... if ... if I may:
I hated the look of 8472! Their CGI nature was obnoxiously apparent. In TOS, we got cheap and cheesey Rubber Suit monsters. Now we get cheap and cheesey CGI. Their feet never seem to touch the ground, they never interact with the real environment convincingly, to say nothing of their scenes with live actors. And the funny part about that is ... over a decade later, ENTERPRISE CGI aliens were no better! Not at all! The Gorn looked like a Playstation Character, it was embarassing.
I hated the look of 8472! Their CGI nature was obnoxiously apparent. In TOS, we got cheap and cheesey Rubber Suit monsters. Now we get cheap and cheesey CGI. Their feet never seem to touch the ground, they never interact with the real environment convincingly, to say nothing of their scenes with live actors. And the funny part about that is ... over a decade later, ENTERPRISE CGI aliens were no better! Not at all! The Gorn looked like a Playstation Character, it was embarassing.
I just thought 8472 were a poorly designed alien period, I can let the CGI go, like the previous poster said, welcome to T.V. budget. If they came from "fluidic" space i.e. a dimension where their whole universe is filled with an "organic fluid", how come they look like they would drown in a tub? how can they breathe our air without any sort of EVA suit? the way they moved seemed inconsistent with their design. how the heck could they go from being in a high pressure enviroment (submerged in untold amounts of fluid), to a no pressure enviroment (voyagers outer hull) and not die?
Considering the whole explanation of species 8472 was just a bunch of words that sounded good together, I wasn't too concerned with how, or even if, they breathed. I just was annoyed that opposing terms, fluid and space, were married together when Torres said specifically that they were not in space.
I didn't like how the writers bastardised Aesop's fable. It's frog not fox. 
Still, I think Janeway acted on the information she had at the time, as she had no idea that Species 8472 were not evil (or at least we see they can be reasoned with to some extent, as per the Boothby duplicate).
Still, I think Janeway acted on the information she had at the time, as she had no idea that Species 8472 were not evil (or at least we see they can be reasoned with to some extent, as per the Boothby duplicate).
I choose to quote "3rd Rock from Sun" on this one.
"It's called Science Fiction, not Science Fact".
I choose to quote "3rd Rock from Sun" on this one.
"It's called Science Fiction, not Science Fact".
I don't think it's too much to ask Trek to do science better than Futurama
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The "Fluidic Space" thing was just based on mere observation. They didn't have time to properly scan the place and see what it was really like or what it would feel like being there for a while. For all we know, it's not our Universe's take on fluid. Maybe it's their equivalent of a rainy day and it got extra thick for a while. Who knows?
The big crunch is still theoretically real?
The universe stops expanding, and begins recoiling back on itself, but it's not losing mass, just size, which explains the intense density of space and the only surviving life form.
In Green Lantern Comics at the moment there is a character kicking up shit who survived the death of the last universe, familiar much, which is why they say that he is so massive (reeeeeeeally familiar much?) because the last universe had expanded so much that on average all humanoid life forms were the size of tower black and rest of reality relative to that, which would suggest that he escaped his universe at a point of great expansion before the crunch started.
The universe stops expanding, and begins recoiling back on itself, but it's not losing mass, just size, which explains the intense density of space and the only surviving life form.
In Green Lantern Comics at the moment there is a character kicking up shit who survived the death of the last universe, familiar much, which is why they say that he is so massive (reeeeeeeally familiar much?) because the last universe had expanded so much that on average all humanoid life forms were the size of tower black and rest of reality relative to that, which would suggest that he escaped his universe at a point of great expansion before the crunch started.
Well drone Seven almost did assimilate Voyager, but Janeway obviously agreed with her XO and used his backup plan. lol.
Well, Aesop's original fable underwent many transformations with different protagonists and moral lessons, IMHO.
There was a thread not too long ago, here is my interpretation regarding these different transformations: http://www.trekbbs.com/showpost.php?p=8696953&postcount=21
Bob
^Not to mention, Aesop's tales were well-traveled long before that had been "written," not unlike the song "Happy Birthday."
If the Borg wanted to get to earth via transwarp, with a single cube or a fleet of cubes or whatever, I don’t see that there was ever anything stopping them from doing so. You both make it sound like Voyager making the request to help them get home would have given the Borg some kind of Epiphany regarding the situation. Nothing about escorting Voyager home would have put the Borg in a more advantageous position in terms of potentially assimilating earth than they were already in.
Tom and Harry were blowing up suns as warning shots.
Picard is too touchy feely for his own good.
Remind me, was it using a child to commit genocide, that he found rough, or the genocide itself?
Picard is too touchy feely for his own good.
Remind me, was it using a child to commit genocide, that he found rough, or the genocide itself?
