Was Jake a Maquis spy?? Was Kasidy? (Abandoned plot?)

[JirinPanthosa]

I always thought that the "Federation News Service" that Jake worked for sounded like some kind of government-sponsored PR thing. Maybe they could have portrayed Jake's efforts to get real, hard-hitting news to the press while his editors are spinning everything into some kind of idealized pro-Federation propaganda. Or something.

Kor

It doesn’t seem in character for the Federation to censor the news, but there might be a reader revolt if he told them things they didn’t want to hear.

 

[kkt]

<In Sisko's private quarters, Sisko, Jake, and Kasidy are having one of Sisko's hand prepared meals with his famous homegrown peppers. The intercom beeps>

Odo: My apologies for disturbing you while you are off-duty, Captain, but this couldn't wait.
Sisko: No problem Odo, go on.
Odo: Unfortunately, we have discovered irrefutable evidence that both Jake and Kasidy have been in almost daily correspondence with Eddington, delivering him classified information.

Now, I'm curious as to how the rest of that scene would play out

Sisko is a good captain. He'd ask Odo to come and arrest them. He'd find them a good defense lawyer but not be involved with either the prosecution or the defense of the case himself to avoid conflict of interest.

 

[STEPhon IT]

<In Sisko's private quarters, Sisko, Jake, and Kasidy are having one of Sisko's hand prepared meals with his famous homegrown peppers. The intercom beeps>

Odo: My apologies for disturbing you while you are off-duty, Captain, but this couldn't wait.
Sisko: No problem Odo, go on.
Odo: Unfortunately, we have discovered irrefutable evidence that both Jake and Kasidy have been in almost daily correspondence with Eddington, delivering him classified information.

Now, I'm curious as to how the rest of that scene would play out

I doubt such a scene would occur while the two suspects were right in front of Sisko; I mean at least have it in Odo's office. Kasidy would be more of a suspect for Sisko since he already caught her in the act of collaborating but Jake would be a lot harder to swallow and could create some interesting turns. Sisko may even brainstorm such a twist with Garak; the character has always had a way of searching the truth in unconventional ways. Again, this thread is delving into far more possibilities for Jake Sisko than Ira and the gang who were more interested in deep diving on Nog and his doofus father Rom.

 

[at Quark's]

I doubt such a scene would occur while the two suspects were right in front of Sisko.

Oh, I agree. Odo would at the very least least make sure that Sisko was alone (and probably, as you say, invite Sisko to his office to tell him). But I wasn't going for plausibility here, I just tried to imagine for fun how Sisko would react in such a case, given that Eddington can really drive him over the edge...

 

[STEPhon IT]

Its one bad episode where the writers forced that reaction in Sisko. Remember him pulling A Man Called Hawk punching the boxing bag yapping about Eddington beating him??? It was too bogus for me to see Sisko go over the edge... for Eddington. LOL!!! To the point where Sisko would commit mass murder to capture Eddington??? A scene where not one senior officer stepped up and said he was out of line??? Lets kill Federation citizens if that loser doesn't surrender??? LOL!!! The episode is joke.

 

[fireproof78]

We all have blind spots. Also, i thought he rendered the planet uninhabitable for a period of time but there was time to evacuate. Pretty sure that was in the episode.

 

[Takeru]

We all have blind spots. Also, i thought he rendered the planet uninhabitable for a period of time but there was time to evacuate. Pretty sure that was in the episode.

If I set your house on fire would you be okay with it just because I left you and your family an opportunity to get out?

Sisko didn't know everyone would have time to get out or that people wouldn't die in the panic trying to get to the ships, what's with bedridden people or those who happened to be on a camping trip somewhere? Every person on that planet was close to their designated evacuation ship around the clock so that a planetoid evacuation could happen within 90 seconds or however little time they had while their atmosphere became poisonous?
And the Maquis had resources to have ships on standby ready to start at a moments notice for everyone?

And of course the Maquis was created because the colonists didn't want to leave their homes so it feels really out of character for everyone to be ready to run and leave everything behind especially the colonists who weren't even members of the maquis and just wanted to live their lives.

The writing in this episode was BAD, it was on the level of bad anime dubs trying to censor obvious deaths.

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Look, I can see their parachutes, they're okay = The Maquis are scrambling their transport ships, they're starting to evacuate

 

[fireproof78]

If I set your house on fire would you be okay with it just because I left you and your family an opportunity to get out?

Who said anything about OK with it? I was simply obsevering that I did not believe Sisko committed mass murder. Not saying it is a great episode, but I don't agree with the conclusions either. It's ambigious, on purpose. It would be nice to see the outcome, but it was sadly left aside.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

there was time to evacuate. Pretty sure that was in the episode.

It was.

And as far as we know, there were no casualties. The Maquis and Cardassian colonists simply moved to each other's worlds.

 

[Takeru]

Who said anything about OK with it?

That's how I read it. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to put words in your mouth.

I was simply obsevering that I did not believe Sisko committed mass murder. Not saying it is a great episode, but I don't agree with the conclusions either. It's ambigious, on purpose. It would be nice to see the outcome, but it was sadly left aside.

Personally I don't see the ambiguity, that episode made Sisko a criminal! He assumed people would get out but he didn't know and even if he did know it's not justifiable because they definitely didn't act like it was a justifiable tactic when Eddington did it to the cardassians. Two wrongs do not make a right.

It was.

And as far as we know, there were no casualties. The Maquis and Cardassian colonists simply moved to each other's worlds.

That there were no casualties doesn't make it less of a crime and focusing just on the lack of casualties ignores the trauma Sisko inflicted on the colonists (who weren't all maquis, DS9 seemed to forget that). They had to abandon their lives and properties and move to a different planet and that was explicitly what they didn't want to do when they decided to stay and leave the federation. If forcibly moving a population to a different planet is no biggie then why didn't starfleet do it in Journey's End? Would have solved a lot of problems in the long run.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

the trauma Sisko inflicted on the colonists (who weren't all maquis, DS9 seemed to forget that).

The colonies in this episode were specifically said to be Maquis. There were no civilians, as such.

Perhaps not ALL the colonies in the DMZ were Maquis, but these were.

 

[DGCatAniSiri]

Sisko’s grudge with Eddington totally makes sense. A couple of episodes prior, Sisko watched his dead wife’s Mirror Universe counterpart die, he’s just had to chase down the woman he loves now and believes he may well never see her again... And then Eddington’s betrayal happens AND he compares the Federation, and, by extension, Sisko himself, to THE BORG, to the species who killed his wife.

That’s gonna spark A LOT of anger.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Eddington’s betrayal happens AND he compares the Federation, and, by extension, Sisko himself, to THE BORG, to the species who killed his wife.

That’s gonna spark A LOT of anger.

You know, I never considered that part (Eddington comparing the Federation to the Borg, because the Borg killed Jennifer) before now.

Eddington's lucky Sisko didn't kill him right then and there.

 

[STEPhon IT]

I understand for you guys your thread drift if far more interesting than Jake Sisko because of the writers disinterest in the character, but does any of you have some thought on the idea of Jake Sisko and what had been discussed in this thread?

 

[fireproof78]

It does not sound interesting to me at all. Any more than Eddington going the Maquis was interesting. The whole "double agent" or whatever style trope this might be construed as is one that has to be constructed very carefully or it feels like a "Gotcha!" moment by the writers.

Now, that doesn't meant that Jake couldn't use some more focus in the show. But, Jake as a character by and large revolves around his relationship with his dad. Even "The Visitor" is resolved by Sisko's return. So, starting with Jake would mean creating him as more than "Ben Sisko's son."

 

[Richard S. Ta]

I don't think Brooks would have been down with it. He hated the idea of his 'family' being broken.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

Its one bad episode where the writers forced that reaction in Sisko. Remember him pulling A Man Called Hawk punching the boxing bag yapping about Eddington beating him??? It was too bogus for me to see Sisko go over the edge... for Eddington. LOL!!! To the point where Sisko would commit mass murder to capture Eddington??? A scene where not one senior officer stepped up and said he was out of line??? Lets kill Federation citizens if that loser doesn't surrender??? LOL!!! The episode is joke.

The episode made it very clear the poison was slow acting enough to let them evacuate.

 

[fireproof78]

The episode made it very clear the poison was slow acting enough to let them evacuate.

Thank you. I thought I was remembering that correctly but haven't had the time to revisit the episode.

 

[STEPhon IT]

It does not sound interesting to me at all. Any more than Eddington going the Maquis was interesting. The whole "double agent" or whatever style trope this might be construed as is one that has to be constructed very carefully or it feels like a "Gotcha!" moment by the writers.

Now, that doesn't meant that Jake couldn't use some more focus in the show. But, Jake as a character by and large revolves around his relationship with his dad. Even "The Visitor" is resolved by Sisko's return. So, starting with Jake would mean creating him as more than "Ben Sisko's son."

Sisko during the 4th thru 7th season of the series on occasion mentioned to officers Jake is becoming a man and he can no longer hold his hand when he made decisions. Some decisions he didn't like, so as Jake got older and was obviously a man it was counter productive for the character not to grow and part away from his father and may have separate thoughts than his fathers. It's normal for a teenager and later an adult to not see eye to eye with their parents' views.

 

[fireproof78]

Sisko during the 4th thru 7th season of the series on occasion mentioned to officers Jake is becoming a man and he can no longer hold his hand when he made decisions. Some decisions he didn't like, so as Jake got older and was obviously a man it was counter productive for the character not to grow and part away from his father and may have separate thoughts than his fathers. It's normal for a teenager and later an adult to not see eye to eye with their parents' views.

Normal does not mean interesting