Was it right from Janeway to decide for Seven Of Nine?

[Guy Gardener]

Once free, she subdued the other freed drones with her, and re assimilated them.

 

[TigerCat]

Seven was assimilated as a child and spent most of her life up to that point as a borg drone, once she was freed, she lacked the necessary skills and experience to integrate with the rest of the crew or go off on her own. Janeway became her de facto guardian.

So did the rest of the Borg children yet Seven gave them the choice of joining Voyager ignoring Janeway's "bring them on board whether they want to or not" directive. The one child that refused, was standing too close to a console when it conveniently exploded.

Once free, she subdued the other freed drones with her, and re assimilated them.

Which tells us all we need to know about what Seven's choice would always be, as long as she had one.

As far as I'm concerned, Janeway was wrong because she enforced her will on someone, much like the Borg do. If one is wrong, then both are. And, as we saw, they both are. Even Seven accused Janeway of it and, wisely, Janeway didn't defend her action. That tells me all I need to know, really.

 

[at Quark's]

They/she did break the terms of her being on Voyager, tried to take over the ship and have all its people assimilated against the agreement, her being imprisoned for that unless she helps the crew seems a foreseeable, understandable, reasonable consequence to the action.

Seems they would have let her go, had the Borg acted "honourably" after 8472 had been driven back to fluidic space:

SEVEN: All remaining bioships in the Delta Quadrant are returning to their realm. The Borg have prevailed.
JANEWAY: With a little help from us. Now it's time you fulfilled your end of the agreement. Tell the Collective we expect safe passage from here on out. We'll give you a shuttlecraft. You can head for the nearest Borg ship.
SEVEN: Unacceptable. This alliance is terminated. Your ship and its crew will adapt to service us.
(Seven goes towards Paris. He fires a hand phaser at her, but the beam bounces off her shields.)
SEVEN: Resistance is futile.

 

[LJones41]

I agree.

 

[Voth commando1]

In some ways yes, Janeway pretty much violated Seven's free will because she wanted to mold her as a sort of student or daughter after her.

Was it morally questionable? Yes, but I would say for Seven's interests as an individual I would say it was a good call.

 

[Six of Twelve]

When Seven joined Voyager, she was maybe 18 or 20 yo in age and physical appearance

Seven was six when she was assimilated, and stated to Janeway that she'd been a drone for 18 years. So, she was 24 when she joined Voyager

 

[Ghislaine H. B. BRAEME]

Seven was six when she was assimilated, and stated to Janeway that she'd been a drone for 18 years. So, she was 24 when she joined Voyager

Indeed, she was older than 20 yo but well regardless her age, even if intellectually, her level was higher than individuals gathered on board, emotionnally, she was still immature and looked for experiences (friendship, love, etc...).

 

[Guy Gardener]

Seems they would have let her go, had the Borg acted "honourably" after 8472 had been driven back to fluidic space:

Its been a while, but Janeway betrayed the Borg first.

The Federation was only willing to stick to their original agreement with the Borg because they foolishly misassumed that 8472 invaded Vacuum Space, and that they were not also victims of the Borg, defending themslves zealously.

If Janeway had stuck to the original plan to murder or bloody 8472, and save the Borg, then the Borg and the Federation "may" have left this alliance on good terms.

 

[at Quark's]

Its been a while, but Janeway betrayed the Borg first.

How?

I do remember Chakotay doing so, but he was opposed to the alliance from the start and did so while Janeway was incapacitated.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Janeway stopped trying to kill 8472.

The plan was to kill 8472.

Janeway deviated from the plan because 8472 turned out to be slightly innocent.

Killing the slightly innocent is what monsters do.

Janeway said the Borg betrayed the federation, because the Borg did not volunteer the fact, that they started the war with 8472. Who started the war did not change the other fact that 8472 wanted to purge the vacuum universe.

Lying is not the same as betrayal.

The Borg were on spec.

Janeway broke the deal with the Borg, that was founded on dishonest first principles.

 

[at Quark's]

Right, I'l have to think about that assessment but at least I now understand the reasoning. Thanks.

 

[Voth commando1]

Wait it was Chakotay that called off the deal when Janeway was incapacitated? Because he realized the borg started the war. Or am I remembering scorpion wrong?

 

[Guy Gardener]

(The Borg have been busy building regeneration alcoves and other equipment.)
SEVEN: Where is your Captain? I must speak with her.
CHAKOTAY: In our medical bay, recovering. You'll be dealing with me now.
SEVEN: Circumstances have changed.
CHAKOTAY: I'd say so.
SEVEN: The loss of our vessel requires that we modify our agreement.
CHAKOTAY: I've been giving that some thought. I'm willing to let you stay on board. We'll continue to work with you on the weapon. Once we're safely out of Borg territory we'll give you the nanoprobes, shake hands and part company.
SEVEN: Insufficient. Our latest tactical projections indicate that the war will be lost by then. The nearest Borg vessel is forty light years away. You will reverse course and take us to it.
CHAKOTAY: Even at maximum warp, that's a five day journey in the wrong direction. We're supposed to be heading out of Borg space, not deeper into it.
SEVEN: There is no alternative.
CHAKOTAY: Look, I'll honour the original agreement, but I'm not turning this ship around. It's too dangerous.
SEVEN: Denying our request is also dangerous.
CHAKOTAY: I'll think about it.
SEVEN: Think quickly.

[Briefing room]

CHAKOTAY: A five day trip back into the heart of Borg territory. It's too risky. With those drones and the nanoprobes on board, we might as well have a bull's-eye painted on our hull. We're a prime target for Species 8472. We'd never survive another attack.
NEELIX: What is the alternative?
CHAKOTAY: I'm going to end this alliance here and now. We're going to drop the Borg off on the next uninhabited planet, give them the nanoprobes and take our chances alone. They can wait for a Borg ship to pick them up and finish the weapon. I'm in command now and I have to do what I think is best for this crew. Tom, I want you to scan for the nearest uninhabited planet and set a course.
PARIS: Aye, sir.
TUVOK: I must caution you, Commander. The Borg may not go quietly.
CHAKOTAY: We'll see. Bring that female drone to the Ready room. Dismissed.

[Ready room]

CHAKOTAY: Once we've beamed you to the surface, we'll send down the nanoprobes and all our research.
SEVEN: Unacceptable. We don't have time for
CHAKOTAY: This isn't open for discussion. I'm not turning this ship around. You're getting what you wanted. I suggest we part ways amicably.
SEVEN: There is another option. We could assimilate your vessel.
CHAKOTAY: If a single drone steps one millimetre out of that Cargo Bay, I'll decompress the entire deck. You won't pose much of a threat floating in space.
SEVEN: When your Captain first approached us, we suspected that an agreement with humans would prove impossible to maintain. You are erratic, conflicted, disorganised. Every decision is debated, every action questioned. Every individual entitled to their own small opinion. You lack harmony, cohesion, greatness. It will be your undoing.
CHAKOTAY: Escort our guest back to the Cargo Bay.

[Sickbay]

(Chakotay briefs his comatose Captain.)
CHAKOTAY: Well, I've made my decision. If it were only a matter of going against the orders of my superior officer. You're more than just my Captain. You're my friend. I hope you'll understand.

It's been years since I've seen these episodes. Sorry.

The Borg lost their ship, when Janeway was damaged. They wanted a lift, 5 days away deeper into Borgspace, to meet up with another Borg science vessel that could continue work on the nanoprobe super weapon.

This is what broke the peace.

It's 40 years home through a galaxy about to be purged by 8472 and Chuckles and Janeway both forgot that transwarp is 50 thousand times, or more, faster than regular warp, so the deal all along should have been to be taken home immediately, not to be chaperoned at regular warp plod.

Chakotay broke the alliance by telling the Borg (2 dozen-ish drones on Voyager?) that he was going to leave them on the next planet. The Borg attacked. Only Seven survived. She took the ship to Fluidic Space. It's then that Janeway woke up, and found out that the Borg started the war.

Seven lost her Cube defending Voyager.

Chakotay couldn't give the woman that saved his life a lift, that would give the Borg time to invent the weapons that will save the galaxy from being culled?

What a petty little asshole.