Was it ever confirmed that Daniels was Worf's replacement on 1701-E?

[Lance]

It's certainly something *I've* always assumed, based on his apparent role in both First Contact and Insurrection.

I am bouyed by the fact that Memory Alpha seems to agree with me:

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Daniels_(Lieutenant)

But was it ever explictly confirmed that he's 1701-E's Security Chief/Tactical Officer? I've seen various sources online making jokes about Enterprise-E having no security chief etc, which started with I believe SFDebris making jokes about 'Lieutenant Nobody', but that's always irked me because even in 1996 I knew Daniels was being presented to us as exactly that. It always seemed so obvious to me, but have I been mistaken all these years?

What do you think?

 

[bbjeg]

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He was in the Security Chief/Tactical Officer's position, which Worf took after Yar's departure, he's probably one of them.

 

[Kinggodzillak]

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I've always assumed he was too, though I have wondered about the guy who gives Picard the nod outside Engineering. When Data pulls open the manual override panel for the doors he looks to Picard, and then Picard looks to a random middle-aged security guy who nods that he's ready.

I know the nod is because he's right there next to them and this is a very tense moment - but why is he right there up front next to them? Why would Picard need to check with this guy before he gives an order? The only reason I could come up with was that he was the security chief and the nod meant "my security team, of which I am chief, is ready and since I am security chief it's up to me to report that to you. By nodding. Which I have now done. Please proceed."

He's also the first member of the Enterprise crew to take down a drone, setting an example for the rest of his men like any good security chief would do. And he gets his own closeup, so he must be important.

I've not got the disc to hand at the moment and none of the grabs on Trekcore show a clear shot of this guy's rank pips, but I think the evidence I've presented here is pretty conclusive.

Your mention of SFDebris there makes me remember his review of (I think) The Die is Cast, where he notes that Kira's specifically the Defiant's weapons officer and Eddington's specifically its security chief. ("The one ship in the fleet that says put one person in charge shooting any enemy ships, and another in charge on shooting any boarders, is the U.S.S. Ben Sisko's Motherf**kin' Pimp Hand - where every job description tags on to the end of it 'and shooting things'." )
Maybe it's the same on the E, Daniels was tactical officer (and on break when Worf took his bridge station near the start of the film) and this other guy was security chief? And either he didn't make it off deck 16 or (more likely IMO) was just being such a damn fine security chief that he didn't want to take time out from killing Borg (with his bare hands) and had Daniels running back and forth with messages?

 

[Lance]

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Good catch King. I can buy the idea that the position might split between Daniels and this other guy, ala that DS9/Defiant evidence.

 

[Reaper63]

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the thing to note is when Enterprise Warps to Earth against orders, Daniels is NOT on the Bridge. There is an African American Officer Standing at Tactical. This is the Officer that Work Relieves. Daniels Might be Chief of Security explaining why he's there during the assault on Engineering as mentioned above. It's not till the Borg are picking off Officer's left and Right, plus the teams on Earth that Daniels might be promoted to both Tactical and Security as seen in Insurrection.

 

[Avro Arrow]

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Maybe it's the same on the E, Daniels was tactical officer (and on break when Worf took his bridge station near the start of the film) and this other guy was security chief?

I like this. But then I've never really liked that they combined the two positions in TNG, because they seem like such separate jobs that you would want a single person dedicated to each.

A good example for this was that one TNG episode where Yar actually had to basically ask Picard which job he wanted her to perform right at that moment. (Ah, apparently it's "Heart of Glory"... thanks, Google! )

 

[Melakon]

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http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Daniels_(Lieutenant)

The link took me to an error page, "Memory Alpha does not yet have an article with this name."

For some reason, the closing parenthesis isn't showing in the url.

 

[Oso Blanco]

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There is an African American Officer Standing at Tactical.

How do you know he's African American?

 

[Timo]

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Or African American, for that matter?

I can buy the idea that the position might split between Daniels and this other guy

Kirk's ship clearly had separate positions for the two very different jobs.

Archer's... Well, Archer's didn't even have the jobs defined yet. (Although that "yet" is a bit silly, considering Starfleet had been operating other types of ship for ages, and supposedly in tasks heavily involving weapons and security.)

Picard sort of rotated people for the first season before settling on specific positions; it just so happened that by that time, Worf had already shown competence in doing two jobs for one pay.

Janeway may well have had two people (plus of course their underlings) for two jobs, but the casualties in "Caretaker" made it impossible to keep that up. Hence Conn chief was also the chief Nurse etc.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Kinggodzillak]

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Daniels Might be Chief of Security explaining why he's there during the assault on Engineering as mentioned above.

But he's not there in the assault on Engineering. The guy in the picture isn't Daniels, he's some random security guy who for some reason is getting quite a bit of screentime. Daniels is the guy who keeps coming up to the bridge in the second half of the film to say that everything's going wrong belowdecks.

 

[Timo]

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Are you sure these are two different people? Or just the same actor/character with two different hairdos, one excessively clean in comparison with the other to denote the depths to which he would later fall? (The later scenes might have been shot first, and then the forehead hair cut - I don't quite see how the reverse could be done.)

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Starfury]

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I've always assumed he was too, though I have wondered about the guy who gives Picard the nod outside Engineering.

That's Daniels Twin-Brother Doniels. They like to confuse people and change positions sometimes. They're such kidders!

 

[FormerLurker]

Re: Was it ever confirmed that Daniels was Worf's replacement on 1701-

Are you sure these are two different people? Or just the same actor/character with two different hairdos, one excessively clean in comparison with the other to denote the depths to which he would later fall? (The later scenes might have been shot first, and then the forehead hair cut - I don't quite see how the reverse could be done.)

Timo Saloniemi

Looking at the pictures posted above, that is not the actor that played Daniels. He's older, and has a different facial structure.

 

[Oso Blanco]

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Memory Alpha lists Jimmy Kupenwoff as "Operations Division Officer", maybe that's him? Strange thing that a google search for that name turned up nothing, except for his role in First Contact.

 

[RoJoHen]

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Couldn't it simply be that Daniels was overseeing something else during the Engineering assault? For all we know Daniels ordered NotDaniels to accompany Picard to Engineering while he stayed back and did something else. Maybe NotDaniels slept with Daniels' wife, and he sent him to Engineering hoping the bastard would get assimilated.

 

[Timo]

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He's older, and has a different facial structure.

I'm not sure I'm seeing that. The eyes look identical, the nose looks identical. The forehead wrinkles make a big difference when they disappear behind all that loose hair in the Bridge scenes, but ignore those and the faces become far less distinct. Also, the second jaw on the Engineering assault guy is just because he's holding the stock of his rifle against his shoulder. Gives him a decade of extra age, along with the Kirk-like hair vs. the looser version.

All IMHO. Might well be two different actors. I'm just not seeing it.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[FormerLurker]

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The jawline is different(look at the other side of his face, where it isn't pressed against his shoulder), his cheekbones aren't as prominent, and he's jowly, with prominent smile lines around his mouth. His forehead is taller and thinner as well. In fact, his whole face is thinner.

 

[USS Crazy Horse]

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The mysterious Security and Tactical Officers, respectively.

http://i.imgur.com/grAT9hR.png

http://i.imgur.com/uwsHfXQ.png

The rank insignia of the Security Officer is blocked by Data/ Picard/ Worf at the most opportune moments, this was the best of the few occasions it is visible.
The only good view of the Tactical Officer is when the camera moves from person to person while the audio of the Borg attack is playing.

I tried to do a direct post with tiny JPEGs but kept getting character length warnings.

 

[Oso Blanco]

Re: Was it ever confirmed that Daniels was Worf's replacement on 1701-

He's older, and has a different facial structure.

I'm not sure I'm seeing that. The eyes look identical, the nose looks identical. The forehead wrinkles make a big difference when they disappear behind all that loose hair in the Bridge scenes, but ignore those and the faces become far less distinct. Also, the second jaw on the Engineering assault guy is just because he's holding the stock of his rifle against his shoulder. Gives him a decade of extra age, along with the Kirk-like hair vs. the looser version.

All IMHO. Might well be two different actors. I'm just not seeing it.

Timo Saloniemi

Here are two screenshots for comparison:

 

[Lance]

Re: Was it ever confirmed that Daniels was Worf's replacement on 1701-

^ It is a hard call isn't it? I'm half-convinced they're the same guy, but I'm just not sure...