Was Ethan secretly fired?

[exodus]

Say "Didactic".

Everything he did, despite the pageantry provoked people to enbiggen themselves.

Oooooooooh, an SAT word!!!

I agree.

 

[Lynx]

There's sex, and then there's leaving your life behind to move in with someone. Being horny should not determine the course of your life.

This is Neelix were talking about.
He's been alone since he was very young. He was desperate to save Kes and be with her to the point he was very jealous of any guy that talked to her. He was desperate to stay on Voyager and amoung other beings so much so that he was selling drugs & stealing just to get a map, so he could be useful. He made desperate attempts to make Tuvok like him. These are all subtle signs of someone looking for something more.

Neelix is someone that comes from nothing because he was homeless. His entire theme was one of finding a family. Rules of leaving your life behind don't apply to him, he never had one to begin with. It's more than just being horny, he's trying to regain all that he lost. He's been trying to get back "home" just like the Voyager crew. Finding a colony of Talaxians all living together was like going home again to him. Voyager was only a surrogate family. They weren't like him, just like Odo, Worf & the Doc. live around humans but long for the comfort and fimilarity of their own kind. Janeway understood all of that which is why she knew she had to let him go.

It's fine, I guess. I just have a problem with how fast it happened. Maybe if it had been spread out over a couple episodes. Or maybe if they had found a better way to introduce a random group of Talaxians that far away from home. Sometimes I think writers forget how big space actually is.

Yes, the whole thing was ridiculous. It's like I would land on Antarktis and the first person I would run into would be a relative from my hometown.

As for Neelix, I didn't like that he was written off. He belongs in the Voyager family. So does Kes as well.

 

[exodus]

This is Neelix were talking about.
He's been alone since he was very young. He was desperate to save Kes and be with her to the point he was very jealous of any guy that talked to her. He was desperate to stay on Voyager and amoung other beings so much so that he was selling drugs & stealing just to get a map, so he could be useful. He made desperate attempts to make Tuvok like him. These are all subtle signs of someone looking for something more.

Neelix is someone that comes from nothing because he was homeless. His entire theme was one of finding a family. Rules of leaving your life behind don't apply to him, he never had one to begin with. It's more than just being horny, he's trying to regain all that he lost. He's been trying to get back "home" just like the Voyager crew. Finding a colony of Talaxians all living together was like going home again to him. Voyager was only a surrogate family. They weren't like him, just like Odo, Worf & the Doc. live around humans but long for the comfort and fimilarity of their own kind. Janeway understood all of that which is why she knew she had to let him go.

It's fine, I guess. I just have a problem with how fast it happened. Maybe if it had been spread out over a couple episodes. Or maybe if they had found a better way to introduce a random group of Talaxians that far away from home. Sometimes I think writers forget how big space actually is.

Yes, the whole thing was ridiculous. It's like I would land on Antarktis and the first person I would run into would be a relative from my hometown.

As for Neelix, I didn't like that he was written off. He belongs in the Voyager family. So does Kes as well.

Then it must be irony that Peter Pan & Tinkerbell both wanted to grow up and left their Neverland.

 

[Lynx]

It's fine, I guess. I just have a problem with how fast it happened. Maybe if it had been spread out over a couple episodes. Or maybe if they had found a better way to introduce a random group of Talaxians that far away from home. Sometimes I think writers forget how big space actually is.

Yes, the whole thing was ridiculous. It's like I would land on Antarktis and the first person I would run into would be a relative from my hometown.

As for Neelix, I didn't like that he was written off. He belongs in the Voyager family. So does Kes as well.

Then it must be irony that Peter Pan & Tinkerbell both wanted to grow up and left their Neverland.

You know as well as I do that none of them actually "left".

And I refuse to call unnecessary ditching and character destruction for "growing up".

 

[JoeZhang]

Neelix's ball and chain: What are you doing? Are you on the computer again?

Neelix: I'm em.. playing chess with Seven of nine?

N's B&C: so why does it say "Barely legal Ocampa"?

Neelix: em...

 

[Mysterion]

If you play the episode backwards, it says "Paul is Dead."

Sure, but Tuvok was the Walrus.

 

[mirandafave]

basically they had to dump the Neelix character before they got back to AQ. When they did that so conviently with his own people showing up mere weeks before Voyager goes down a Borg u-bend. Maybe that explains why future janeway went back at that time to make sure Neelix stayed in the DQ and got nowhere near the AQ.

As for Neelix choosing to stay with the other Talaxians I figure that is probably the way it would happen. To come across his people apparently wiped out by and large and find a 'thriving' colony was beyond his best hopes when he first set out with the Voyager crew. He had no more useful information to impart for janeway, Kes was gone and he was reduced to being a pretty piss poor morale officer.

As others posters commented he got a better finale than the rest of the crew. In many ways it could be the alternative ending for Voyager poll option where they are still out in the DQ trying to find a way home akin to Quantum Leap - not quite making it home.

 

[Jeri]

If you play the episode backwards, it says "Paul is Dead."

Sure, but Tuvok was the Walrus.

"...Shut up, Donnie..."*




*nothing personal; please pardon

 

[exodus]

Yes, the whole thing was ridiculous. It's like I would land on Antarktis and the first person I would run into would be a relative from my hometown.

As for Neelix, I didn't like that he was written off. He belongs in the Voyager family. So does Kes as well.

Then it must be irony that Peter Pan & Tinkerbell both wanted to grow up and left their Neverland.

You know as well as I do that none of them actually "left".

And I refuse to call unnecessary ditching and character destruction for "growing up".

I thought we were talking about Neelix, not Kes.

 

[Guy Gardener]

He B!tched out because he fell in love with Dexa. Becoming king of the space rats was just incidental. Like he wanted the job? But it was part and parcel with the girl. Although can you imagine how much tail Neelix would have gotten on Earth if he had stayed with Voyager?

The Nobel Savage that saved Voyager on a weekly basis? Shades of Sacagawea even, but a bird in the hand is better than two more weeks on Voyager which would have introduced him to an unrelenting harem brothel of an aviary on Earth.

 

[Mysterion]

If you play the episode backwards, it says "Paul is Dead."

Sure, but Tuvok was the Walrus.

"...Shut up, Donnie..."*




*nothing personal; please pardon

No offense taken....but what about the Nazis, Walter?

 

[Jeri]

Well, say what you want about them, but at least it was an ethos!

 

[Lynx]

Then it must be irony that Peter Pan & Tinkerbell both wanted to grow up and left their Neverland.

You know as well as I do that none of them actually "left".

And I refuse to call unnecessary ditching and character destruction for "growing up".

I thought we were talking about Neelix, not Kes.

We are talking about Neelix but also about all the main characters in this case. Or to be more precisely, to keep them in the series for upcoming stories, books, movies and so on.

As I see it, Voyager had excellent characters. So why not use them instead of dumping them. Keeping Neelix in the series would make him useful in the Voyager books as well.

 

[exodus]

You know as well as I do that none of them actually "left".

And I refuse to call unnecessary ditching and character destruction for "growing up".

I thought we were talking about Neelix, not Kes.

We are talking about Neelix but also about all the main characters in this case. Or to be more precisely, to keep them in the series for upcoming stories, books, movies and so on.

As I see it, Voyager had excellent characters. So why not use them instead of dumping them. Keeping Neelix in the series would make him useful in the Voyager books as well.

Lots of fans see Neelix as the Jar Jar Binks of Trekdom. Due to that, there is no profit to be made off of him going forward in books or otherwise. Keeping him for such things is pointless regardless of the minority that likes him.

Being a main character doesn't make you immune to cast changes. Several modern shows change main cast members all the time and have proven to be successful. Besides if you truly believed Voyager had excellent characters, you would have kept watching instead of turning it off after Kes left. The show still had 8 other just as excellent characters left.

 

[kimc]

I wonder why they did decide to write him out early, really? If he stayed with the crew that long, why suddenly have him find some Talaxians to hang with?

What doesn't make any sense to me is how Talaxians got so far from Talaxia in the first place. It seemed just a little too convenient.

 

[kimc]

There's sex, and then there's leaving your life behind to move in with someone. Being horny should not determine the course of your life.

True - besides I'm sure the 24th century had some very efficient vibrators.

Next...

 

[RoJoHen]

There's sex, and then there's leaving your life behind to move in with someone. Being horny should not determine the course of your life.

True - besides I'm sure the 24th century had some very efficient vibrators.

Next...

They've got holodecks, for goodness sake!

It was good enough for Janeway. Should've been just fine for Neelix, too.

 

[kimc]

There's sex, and then there's leaving your life behind to move in with someone. Being horny should not determine the course of your life.

True - besides I'm sure the 24th century had some very efficient vibrators.

Next...

They've got holodecks, for goodness sake!

It was good enough for Janeway. Should've been just fine for Neelix, too.

Hey, with only two holodecks for over 100 crew it's always good to have a backup plan.

 

[RoJoHen]

True - besides I'm sure the 24th century had some very efficient vibrators.

Next...

They've got holodecks, for goodness sake!

It was good enough for Janeway. Should've been just fine for Neelix, too.

Hey, with only two holodecks for over 100 crew it's always good to have a backup plan.

I have two backup plans. My left hand and my right hand.

 

[Praetor]

I wonder why they did decide to write him out early, really? If he stayed with the crew that long, why suddenly have him find some Talaxians to hang with?

What doesn't make any sense to me is how Talaxians got so far from Talaxia in the first place. It seemed just a little too convenient.

Indeed so.