Was DS9 anti-Vulcan

[Prax]

Good point. As I recall, DS9 also gave us our first Klingon lawyer, which was something we hadn't seen before but which made perfect sense. Every Klingon can't be a soldier.
They must have lawyers and accountants and architects and mechanics and housekeepers and doctors and nurses as well.

With a franchise as enduring as STAR TREK, writers are inevitably going to be looking for a new slant on Vulcans or Klingons or transporter accidents or whatever.

I also like the Klingon Lawyer in the ENT S2 episode "Judgement." He shows a more traditional nonwarrior side of Klingons.

He says this:
ARCHER: How many cases have you won?
KOLOS: Oh, I'm not sure. Over two hundred. But that was a long time ago, when the tribunal was a forum for the truth and not a tool for the warrior class.
ARCHER: There are other classes?
KOLOS: You didn't believe all Klingons were soldiers?
ARCHER: I guess I did.
KOLOS: My father was a teacher. My mother, a biologist at the university. They encouraged me to take up the law. Now all young people want to do is take up weapons as soon as they can hold them. They're told there's honour in victory, any victory. What honour is there in a victory over a weaker opponent? Had Duras destroyed that ship he would have been lauded as a hero of the Empire for murdering helpless refugees. We were a great society not so long ago, when honour was earned through integrity and acts of true courage, not senseless bloodshed.

 

[Nyotarules]

Archer's ignorance was something else, do all aliens expect all humans to be Starfleet officers? But then he did have a one sided view of Vulcans.

 

[Tosk]

A lot of fans see Klingons as all being warriors, and even more than Archer they should know better.

 

[Nyotarules]

A lot of fans see Klingons as all being warriors, and even more than Archer they should know better.

But some humans love stereotypes, or else they would have to think outside of their preconceived boxes.

 

[Prax]

I guess that makes Archer human

 

[Bad Thoughts]

A lot of fans see Klingons as all being warriors, and even more than Archer they should know better.

Many societies depict themselves through their elites. It's very much in line with chivalric literature.

 

[Greg Cox]

Going back further, I remember loving it when TNG's "Sins of the Fathers" showed us an elderly Klingon nurse instead of yet another warrior. Suddenly, the Klingons felt much more like an actual, living culture, with all classes of people and occupations, instead of just a string of bellicose, honor-obsessed soldiers all cut from the roughly the same cloth.

"Canon" should be not become synonymous with "generic."

Variety, paradoxes, and, yes, inconsistencies are what make an alien culture believable.

I mean, is there such a thing as a "canon" American who thinks and acts like every other American, within very limited parameters? Our politics and regional differences alone would suggest otherwise . . . .

 

[Beard_vs_Geek]

I don't think they hated Vulcan's. It's just Vulcan's were never big players in that area of space. We had two series going on at the same time that either dealt with Vulcan's or had them as crew. So it was a regular question that was brought up. Here in DS9 we have other players that keep coming up so Vulcan's go on the back burner.

 

[Prax]

I mean, is there such a thing as a "canon" American

I guess it would be like a British show that features Americans in a few episodes, and when they show up, they are either a terrorist, a racial supremacist who's every word drips with condescending hatred, and a serial killer.

As a side note, Ezri and Joran share this conversation in Field of Fire:

EZRI: That's what the victims have in common. Pictures of laughing faces.
JORAN: A killer who hates laughter. Who hates emotion.
EZRI: A Vulcan!
JORAN: All Vulcans distrust emotions, but they don't go around killing people for smiling.
EZRI: This one does. Something happened to him, something so emotionally painful it's making him lose control. When he looks through the targeting sensor and sees those pictures, the laughter seems to mock him.
JORAN: You're thinking like he thinks. Good, Ezri.
EZRI: Computer. How many Vulcan Starfleet Officers are on the station?
COMPUTER: There are forty eight Vulcans serving on Deep Space Nine.
JORAN: Now all we have to do is eliminate forty seven of them.

How does she know it's a Vulcan? They believe it's a Starfleet Officer, so they narrow it down to just over 900 possible suspects, then she sees the "smiling photograph" connection, and "It's a Vulcan"

Insert Data/Geordi Sherlock/Watson voice here:
Sherlock: My dear Watson, see here....we have yet another photogrrraph of a happy person rrright here on the bureau.
Watson: But what could it mean Sir?
Sherlock: It means, dear Watson...That the killer hates happy people...and only one kind of killer could be capable of hating happy people...do you know who it is, Watson?
Watson: I..uhh.. don't see a connection, sir...
Sherlock: Allow me to illustrate...There is only one species on this station, capable of hating happiness WITH access to Star Fleet replicator patterns....A VULCAN!
(audience gasps)
Watson: Sir?
Sherlock: In fact...there is just such a Vulcan, suffering from the loss of his friends...his name....is CHU'LAK!
..at this very moment, he is in his quarters, intending to make ussss his next victims
(Watson and audience gasps)
Watson! hand me that rifle!
(Sherlock shoots Chu'lak, then goes to his quarters)
Watson(to Chu'lak): Why did you do it sir? why did you kill those innocent people?
Chu'lak:Logic....demanded it...

 

[Tosk]

How does she know it's a Vulcan?

She doesn't know it's a Vulcan. She has a hunch that turns out to be correct. The same way it happens on almost all the serial killer procedurals.

 

[Voth commando1]

Having watched Field of Fire I think my original contention has been further bolstered.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Having watched Field of Fire I think my original contention has been further bolstered.

Because?

 

[Voth commando1]

Because?

Because it was a terrible representation of Vulcans. There not supposed to be susceptible to trauma.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Because it was a terrible representation of Vulcans. There not supposed to be susceptible to trauma.

Says who?

 

[Greg Cox]

Because it was a terrible representation of Vulcans. There not supposed to be susceptible to trauma.

Since when? Vulcans aren't robots. They have feelings and emotions, no matter how deeply they're repressed. And any sentient being can crack if placed under enough stress. Vulcans are still flesh and blood after all, even if that blood is green . . .

 

[CaptainStoner]

I have not seen Vulcans represented as bigots in Star Trek. As for Ds9 being anti-Vulcan, no. Trek has always depicted a cultural tension between humans and Vulcans, because they are different.

 

[Voth commando1]

Since when? Vulcans aren't robots. They have feelings and emotions, no matter how deeply they're repressed. And any sentient being can crack if placed under enough stress. Vulcans are still flesh and blood after all, even if that blood is green . . .

Okay then extremely resistant to trauma and even then not flailing off murdering people who have smiling photographs.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Okay then extremely resistant to trauma and even then not flailing off murdering people who have smiling photographs.

Says who?

 

[Voth commando1]

Says who?

Says everything Trek from the Menagerie to TATV and everything non-canon in between excluding DS9

 

[Nerys Myk]

Says everything Trek from the Menagerie to TATV and everything non-canon in between excluding DS9

Really? Because we've seen Vulcans doing all sorting of things in the past 50 years. Including spying, lying and arranging murders. We've seen them laugh, smile, cry and love.