Just because it shows married doesn't mean they weren't separated for a while before a divorce. Or going behind a spouse's back.
Was a Rick Berman a bad choice to run the Star Trek Franchise after Gene Roddenberry died?
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Just because it shows married doesn't mean they weren't separated for a while before a divorce. Or going behind a spouse's back.
Well according to both people involved, they were not a couple when she joined the show. I’ve never seen or heard anything to contradict that.
Proof's in the pudding, maybe? The fact it's 30 years later and we're all still here. You can nitpick the way he ran things especially with Voyager but he did a great job with TNG.
Can we judge Jack for tricking her into going to a sex club again, that she already told him, she thought was gross?
You have a point. There were missteps, but by and large, we got 18 years and 25 great seasons of Trek under his leadership.
And I completely believe Ryan when she says that of Mulgrew! But a male supervisor dating an female employee can create a hostile work environment for the other women on staff even if the relationship itself is consensual. Many women who worked on David Letterman's writing staff, for instance, reported that this happened when he began dating a female writer on his show.
It is, in fact, entirely possible that both dynamics were at play on the VOY set. Which just further calls into question what kind of work environment Braga was creating as showrunner.
Well, almost anything is possible...
I've never read or heard any comments from anyone involved in Voyager that Braga created a hostile work environment.
I'm not sure why you're pushing that angle so hard...?
It's unintentional.
The nicer he is to the woman he loves, the more he neglects everyone else.
It's a closed system.
"Soap" ran from 1977 to 1981 with Billy Crystal playing an openly gay main character, the fact often being a main plot point. A memorable line was when someone asked him if he was "a practicing homosexual," and he replied "I don't have to practice, I'm very good at it."
Again...in theory...sure.
Has anyone who worked on Voyager ever said anything like that about Braga?
People can judge others for whatever they choose to based on stories they've been told. It's just that it's fairly dickish to be such busybodies.
Well, more like 10ish great seasons and 12 watchable to good ones.
I heard Diane Muldaur was treated very poorly for her season on TNG because people took out anger over McFadden’s firing on her.
I don’t know if there was a hostile workplace or not but it feels like veering into gossip territory to speculate on second hand accounts.
In terms of creative influence it’s very mixed. He stood up to Gene Roddenberry on giving characters conflicts and flaws but also creatively locked down Voyager to disposable episodic formula to its detriment, and was one of the ones making sure Seven and T’Pol were used for fan service. But some of that you can plausibly put off on the network.
There was a big gap between the time you could put gay characters on TV and when you could normalize their relationships.
I don’t know if there was a hostile workplace or not but it feels like veering into gossip territory to speculate on second hand accounts.
In terms of creative influence it’s very mixed. He stood up to Gene Roddenberry on giving characters conflicts and flaws but also creatively locked down Voyager to disposable episodic formula to its detriment, and was one of the ones making sure Seven and T’Pol were used for fan service. But some of that you can plausibly put off on the network.
There was a big gap between the time you could put gay characters on TV and when you could normalize their relationships.
I think Rick Berman did a better job than most could have under the circumstances. His leadership carried Star Trek a long way and through a lot of successes, despite his flaws.
I think his mistake was not allowing more creative freedom on the various series that were running concurrently at various times, as well as I think he made a considerable mistake by not turning the TNG movies over to people who knew how to write and produce motion pictures.
I think his mistake was not allowing more creative freedom on the various series that were running concurrently at various times, as well as I think he made a considerable mistake by not turning the TNG movies over to people who knew how to write and produce motion pictures.
The mid 80's were a huge setback for the gay rights movement, thanks to AIDS. Remember how devastating to our society Covid was, and its kill rate was barely 10 percent with the highest-risk demographic (85+). AIDS was 100% fatal, and it spread fastest among gay males. I was in middle school, and I still remember how freaked out everyone was about it: people were afraid you could get it from handshakes or toilet seats. I also remember how institutionalized homophobia was: the jokes we told as kids, the urban legends we passed around, etc.
Given that everyone expected TNG to fail, that was still pretty darn good.
The 1980s pushed the gay rights movement into the mainstream in this country and motivated effective political organization in the community in pursuit of resources and treatment. The time was certainly a setback for many individuals and it was traumatizing, but in fact it energized gay political activity to a greater extent than anything before it.
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I used the line-counts from chakotay.net.
http://www.chakoteya.net/Voyager/LineCountS4-S7.htm
Plugged that data into an excel spread sheet.
Cut and paste, easy peasy.
Used the autosum.
Seasons 1 -7
11290 lines... Janeway
05607 Lines... The EMH.
05589 Lines... Chakotay
05019 Lines... Paris
04623 Lines... Tuvok
04393 Lines... Torres
04384 Lines... Kim
04113 Lines... Seven of Nine
03163 Lines... Neelix
01211 Lines... Kes.
Season 4 - 7
6855 Lines... Janeway
4113 Lines... Seven of Nine
3678 Lines... The EMH
3427 Lines... Chakotay
3188 Lines... Paris
2602 Lines... Kim
2463 Lines... Tores
2406 Lines... Tuvok
1843 Lines... Neelix.
Wow.
We've always said that Voyager was an ensemble cast, but Mulgrew had twice as many lines as anyone else.
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And a number of the cast members of Voyager have never been shy about their criticism of the PTBs during their time there. I'd have to think if they thought Braga's relationship with Ryan caused some sort of favoritism they wouldn't have kept that quiet.
While I don't keep up with all the 'office gossip' when it comes to the Berman era of Star Trek, a lot of the complaints are generally toward Berman himself, and sometimes the studio. I haven't heard a whole lot of issues when it comes to Braga when it comes to how he treated people. Sure, there were complaints about his work (that is his writing), but I can't say I've heard a lot saying he was a creep toward people.
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