WARP STAR ONE concept

Discussion in 'Science and Technology' started by publiusr, May 9, 2015.

  1. publiusr

    publiusr Vice Admiral Admiral

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    You have all heard of the EM drive whatsit, but here is an actual example of what it might look like.

    This is not the recent ringship mind you: https://www.flickr.com/photos/123021064@N05/sets/72157644113972600/
    ---but more of a shuttle for it perhaps:


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    http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2015/04/evaluating-nasas-futuristic-em-drive/
    http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=37438.0

    Moving out from LEO, Mr. March, from NASA EagleWorks, noted that a spacecraft equipped with EM drive technology could surpass the performance expectations of the WarpStar-I concept vehicle.

    If such a similar vehicle were equipped with an EM Drive, it could enable travel from the surface of Earth to the surface of the moon within four hours.

    Such a vehicle would be capable of carrying two to six passengers and luggage and would be able to return to Earth in the same four-hour interval using one load of hydrogen and oxygen for fuel cell-derived electrical power, assuming a 500 to 1,000 Newton/kW efficiency EM Drive system.

    Other electris spaceplane pix here: http://nextbigfuture.com/2015/04/emdrive-roger-shawyer-believes-midterm.html

    If wishes were horses--still--we can all hope.

    From a post on NASASPACEFLIGHT http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=37438.380

    I'm starting to believe COM, linear and angular, is no longer the brick wall I once thought, especially in the quantum realm:

    http://arxiv.org/abs/0803.2811

    ...from Cornell, and other sources regarding "Transmutation of Momentum"

    Way over my humble head: "Transmutation methods are developed for equations of the form x2 φ“ + x2(k2” - q̃(x)) φ = (v2 - (1/4)) φ, with v as spectral variable, which correspond to problems in quantum scattering theory at fixed energy k2 (here v ˜ l + (1/2) with l complex angular momentum). Spectral formulas for transmutation kernels are constructed and the machinery of transmutation theory developed by the author for spectral variable k is shown to have a version here. General Kontrorovič-Lebedev theorems are also proved."

    Transmutation via the momentum plane

    R. Carroll andD. S. Jones Communicater
    Article first published online: 6 JUN 2011
    DOI: 10.1002/mma.1670060129
    Copyright © 1984 John Wiley & Sons, Ltd

    More do-able propulsion http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=37102.0

    Another concept---the quantum afterburner
    http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=37523.0


    [COLOR=#006699]http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2015/04/evaluating-nasas-futuristic-em-drive/[/COLOR]
    [COLOR=#006699]http://nextbigfuture.com/2015/05/emdrive-possible-warp-or-hyperspace.html[/COLOR]
    [COLOR=#006699]http://nextbigfuture.com/2015/05/inventor-guido-fetta-describes-emdrive.html[/COLOR]
    [COLOR=#006699]http://www.space.com/29308-nasa-hyperspace-em-drive.html[/COLOR]

    Interesting
    [COLOR=#006699]http://nextbigfuture.com/2015/04/transparent-spinel-aluminum-for.html[/COLOR]
    [COLOR=#006699]http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Astronomers_unveil_the_farthest_galaxy_999.html[/COLOR]




    In terms of woo, I don't normally watch things like this:
    http://www.history.com/shows/ancient-aliens/episodes

    But there looked to be some nice new effects shots of 2001's Space station V. Does anyone here know who does the visual effects for these guys?
     
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  2. Tiger Devil Dog

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    I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that the em drive isn't pushing any ting off the earth's surface or out of its gravity. We'll still need chemical rockets for that. But this could propel in between planets at high speeds. Assuming it actually works of course.
     
  3. Dryson

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    http://www.theverge.com/2015/5/11/8586857/nasa-impossible-engine-em-drive

    The only reason that I can see that such an engine wouldn't be popular is because no one would be able to profit from the use of such an engine with regards to chemical fuel. I on the other hand would applaud such an engine as it would reduce the cost of manufacturing the engine as well as the maintenance cost but more importantly the cost of getting people to Mars would be reduced which is the main importance. Getting there as cheaply as possible.
     
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  4. sojourner

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    I gotta ask, because it would clear up alot of confusion about your posts, is english not your native language?
     
  5. publiusr

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  6. Dryson

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    I have to ask you is your ass as wide as your mouth?
     
  7. Dukhat

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    Lol, guess that answers your question, Soj ;)

    (Now waits for the mod's flaming infraction...)
     
  8. sojourner

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    Unfortunately, no, it didn't. This forum gets a wide range of international posters. Sometimes it helps to know if someone has learned english as a second language.
     
  9. { Emilia }

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    Infraction for Flaming. Comments to PM.

    Well... once you've enjoyed your 24-hour ban.
     
  10. Nebusj

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    I would think it'd also lose popularity from being an obviously nonsense idea that doesn't work.
     
  11. { Emilia }

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    As an addition to my earlier post:

    Baiting other posters can be seen as trolling. Don't do that, guys. I'll ask nicely once. Next time macloudt will get her knitting needles out.
     
  12. RAMA

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    Hmm no warning for Soujourner's subtle but obvious insult?

    RAMA
     
  13. { Emilia }

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    Guess who I was addressing when I mentioned "baiting". He has been warned.

    On a related note: Don't discuss these things in threads please. If you think a poster is seriously misbehaving, just notify on the post or PM a mod so we can deal with it quickly. :)
     
  14. RAMA

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    I'm highly skeptical of this EM drive. Waiting on more peer reviewed research. This bugs me quite a bit:

     
  15. Dryson

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EmDrive

    The proposed theories of its operation have all been criticized because they violate the conservation of momentum, a fundamental law of physics, though Shawyer asserts that EmDrive does not

    I don't see why anyone is criticizing this theory because it violates conservation of momentum.

    Sir Isaac Newton violated the momentum of conservatism when he proved his theory of gravity.
     
  16. Gov Kodos

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    That sentence is utterly nonsensical.
     
  17. Metryq

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    On top of that, Newtonian gravity is not really a "theory." All Newton did was quantify an observed force (still a very important aspect of physics). He never explained it.

    Various researchers agree that they've measured something in the lab, but no one has explained this "EM drive" yet. It may be a mistake, or it may be a novel effect that requires more study. Declaring it as a breakthrough space drive at this stage is pure sensationalism.

    The Warp Star design reminds me of Dark Star. I hope Bomb 20 isn't on board.
     
  18. Dryson

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    Perhaps the EM Drive is a component of an over all larger design. There are many components that go into how a car engine creates forward and reverse momentum.
     
  19. Metryq

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    No, from what I've read the researchers are saying this sealed cavity produces directional thrust all by itself. Or are you suggesting a drive train and wheels are needed to apply this device to spaceflight? I don't think any tires are rated for those distances.
     
  20. publiusr

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    "You have to watch that second stage...it slips a little"