Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by Turtletrekker, Jan 15, 2021.
The theme song at the end.
Oh. Am I the only one thinking that Monica‘s outfit (the space suit underplayed) looks vaguely like a TNG uniform?
So I've been going back and forth across the previous episodes whether Agatha is really the bad guy or just also trapped (or maybe caused things and then lost control of them). Then they leaned so heavily into the obvious bad guy stuff as she intervened between Wanda and Monica and then the basement that I honestly thought this whole thing *has* to be a misdirect and she actually isn't the bad guy.
And then comes that song.... My whodunnit misdirection meter is officially broken and I have no idea what to think anymore.
Aside from that, two things I wanted to mention. Emma Caulfield suddenly appeared again this episode and I can't help but think that's significant since such a big deal was made of her in episode 2 and then she just disappeared all season. There's still something important there, I think.
Also this week's commercial is very different. Anyone super familiar with Scarlet Witch in the comics that has any information on anything called 'Nexus'? It doesn't ring a bell to me. Unless they're referring to the Man-Thing idea of a particular spot on the planet being the 'Nexus of All Realities'. Maybe that's what Westview is...
We got our first Marvel mid credits scene.
Luckily I don't usually break away before the first half of the credits is over or I would have missed it.
I started wondering if Vision's real body is somewhere in that basement, and the one we've been looking at is a projection by Agatha.
Interesting. The car at Agatha's house appears to have Connecticut plates instead of New Jersey. If it was a random car on the street, I'd think nothing, but a parked car right at Agatha's? Maybe. Maybe not.
I'm not buying it While I do believe that while Wanda is responsible for 'creating' the Hex around Westview but only because she is ultimately being influenced by something/someone, I don't think it's Agnes/Agatha.
I think this newest 'plot-twist' is just Wanda's subconscious desire to explain away her recent behaviour and the little things that aren't adding up, even to her, by casting a 'villain' for her to face up against.
Hell, though, I could be totally wrong and if I am, I'll still have enjoyed this whole wacky series!
So here is my theory/explanation for everything that has happened so far:
Wanda found out about SWORD trying to create another Vision as a weapon. She broke into SWORD, stole the pieces of Vision and took him to Westview. She created the hex barrier as a way to keep SWORD out. But I don't think Wanda created the sitcom fantasy. Someone else did that to trap Wanda. Then Agatha showed up and inserted herself into the fantasy and manipulated things as we saw in the flashbacks for her own nefarious purposes. I think fake Pietro is the other villain and is working with Agatha.
We were so caught up on the idea of the aerospace engineer being someone we already knew in the MCU or might be a set-up for an intro for someone like Reed Richards that we didn't even consider the possibility that it could be someone we didn't know at all. I think we were deliberately punk'd.
The Agatha reveal might have been expected for those of us who had been digging around with the little details and possible connections to the comics, but the actual reveal was still pretty cool nonetheless. I love that she got her own theme song and how it correlated with all of the past events. Kathryn Hahn's cackle was the best part.
While I really enjoyed watching Darcy as an escape artist who didn't want to do anything with this crazy "clown" Vision, I'm glad that only lasted for a couple of minutes before Vision removed the spell on her. The brief buddy road trip between was a lot of fun as Darcy tried to explain condensedly the events of Vision's entire existence prior to Westview, including his double death.
Interesting how Darcy didn't say Thanos' name outright like she did with Ultron even though she recounted an event only a few people directly witnessed (I don't think any of the Avengers were even on the scene when Vision's double death occurred). Like I said a couple of weeks when I previously speculated how characters could be purvey to events that only a certain amount of people actually saw, I'm sure I'm overthinking all of this and the simplest explanation is to allow Darcy fill Vision in about what had happened as we, the viewers, already saw. But it's still nagging at me.
Yeah, that all makes sense, especially within the context of the mid-credits scene. Even though Pietro's appearance was very brief, it did suggest that he's quite aware of what's going on.
It was Agatha All Along! Awesome twist (even if totally predicted weeks ago)
Excellent episode! Monica/Photon/Spectrum (whoever) has full control within the Hex, Darcy is herself, Vision is in control(ish). Agnes/Agatha was never under Wanda's control!
I think this is last of "sitcom" episodes. All cards are on the table now and last two episodes are most likely going to be "real life" completely.
Kathryn Hahn mugging it up for the camera was worth it. Too bad there’s been so much speculation about Harkness as it diminished the impact some though not the fault of the show itself.
The modern show video quality looked really sharp and appropriately close to more “real” looking as the illusion breaks in the plot.
Another fun episode. Darcy trying to catch Vison up on everything that had happened to him was a blast.
Agatha's song was pretty awesome, and she needs to get the next MCU spinoff. Make it a musical! )
I don't think Agatha's working alone, either. Especially with the sinister Pietro laugh at the end. I have to say that was the perfect moment for him to appear this week, mid-credits and all. I read Evan Handler's name, thought that we haven't seen him this week, and then blam!
Yet, they still were messing with the aspect ratio to differentiate the two realities. The small details are what makes this show so fantastic
Um, what are you talking about? Those are highs and lows for each day, not Fahrenheit and Celsius.
Here are the lyrics for Agatha's theme song:
Who's been messing up everything?
It's been Agatha all along
Who's been pulling every evil string?
It's been Agatha all along
She's insidious, so perfidious
That you haven't even noticed
And the pity is, the pity is, pity, pity, pity
it's too late to fix anything
Now that everything has gone so wrong
Thanks to Agatha, naughty Agatha
it's been Agatha all along
Haha, that actually makes sense.
Scarlet Witch was a Nexus Being in the comics. Basically a very powerful being that has probability/universe altering powers that can change the universe around them.
Then there is this Nexus:
Say, which Nexus came first, Star Trek (circa 1994) or Nexus in Marvel comics? They are kinda the same thing right? Entryway to another reality..
(I smell a lawsuit... )
So the Comic book take on the "Great Man" Philosophy?
Well, that's interesting..
They mention TVA (Loki!) and that Scarlet Witch, is nexus being of Reality 616? TVA is MCU canon now (or will be as soon as Loki airs), so is Reality/Earth-616 about to be MCU canon now too?
I knew Franklin Richards and Jean Grey were powerful, but I didn't realize they were that powerful.
Man, this episode was a great episode.
The stuff with Vision and Darcy was pretty fun, I especially when he got pissed during the interview and walked off.
It looks like Monica is starting to develop her powers from the comics. After all the set up, I was a little disappointed that Monica's friend wasn't anybody important. With the way that played out, I almost wonder if the people who make the show were trolling us.
I had already suspected that Agnes was Agatha Harkness, so her identity wasn't a surprise, but the way the revealed played out was good. I am surprised that she seems to be a bad guy, since I was under the impression was a good guy in the comics. But as we saw with the Skrulls, they are open to playing around with who's good and who's bad. I'm wondering what the significance of the twins disappearing is. Did Agatha do something to them, or was it just more of Wanda's powers being on the fritz?
Agatha's theme song was awesome, and that was great way to give us flashbacks to everything she had done.
I didn't realize there was a post-credits scene until I saw a story about it on IGN. I looked for one after the first 2 or 3 episodes, and when they didn't have one, I assumed none of them would. I kind of wish they would put some kind of a warning or something up to tell you to wait. With the scene, it definitely looks like "Pietro" is working with Agatha.
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