WandaVision Director Matt Shakman to helm next Trek movie

[fireproof78]

Well, first, you only have so much money. So trying to be everything to everyone is fiscally very difficult, and rarely successful. Beyond that though, I of course say don't look back, keep moving forward.

Discovery is the only thing in Star Trek currently moving forward. Everything else is filling in the blanks of what happened in the past. And it's fine to do one (maybe two) things like that, but to do everything like that is ridiculous... I think.

It's the equivalent of doing The Next Generation, and then every series after it was something set before The Original Series. It would be like, "What in the hell are you guys doing?"

Star Trek did go forward with Discovery, now with everything else though they've stopped. And that's one way to do things, but... "eh." Of course, doing new and going forward is hard, and not without risk. So it's totally understandable what they're doing. They're playing it safe.

They're following the prequel trend. Amazon is doing it with Lord of the Rings. HBO is doing it with Game of Thrones. Star Wars is doing it with every single thing that they're doing. They don't have anything planned for what comes next after the last movie. Of course, the Star Wars story really ended back in '83. That was the story, because how do you top Darth Vader. The only ones not doing the prequel trend is Marvel, and they're killing everyone. Of course, until they did do the prequel trend with their last movie and got bit hard with a 67% drop. I suspect they won't do that again, because that totally goes against their brand.

The irony that Discovery started as a prequel is not lost on me either. But to their credit they wised up.

Anyway, hopefully with Emma Watts and the movies they're not afraid to move Star Trek forward again. And I think that will happen, because I think she is bold, and I think she wants to put her stamp on things. And hopefully that boldness trickles down to the TV guys. Get their courage up again...

What's that saying," Scared money don't make none." So don't be scared, be bold. Go boldly. Don't make Star Trek into a nostalgia brand, be a bold brand.

That was well written but also didn't track well from what I was saying. But, it sounded good so

 

[Isaac Lawrence]

That was well written but also didn't track well from what I was saying. But, it sounded good so

No, it's just saying everything that's I've been saying all along but just in a different way.

Either way, we both understand each other now. So good. Because I was getting bored.

 

[fireproof78]

No, it's just saying everything that's I've been saying all along but just in a different way.

Either way, we both understand each other now. So good. Because I was getting bored.

I mean, yes to the understanding but it felt like a non sequitur. In either case, we can certainly move on.

 

[Vger23]

Discovery is the only thing in Star Trek currently moving forward. Everything else is filling in the blanks of what happened in the past. And it's fine to do one (maybe two) things like that, but to do everything like that is ridiculous... I think.

Isn't Star Trek: Picard a continuation / sequel series? How is that not "moving forward?" Isn't Lower Decks set in roughly the same timeframe?

What exactly constitutes "moving forward" if these series aren't?

In fact, there are no current Star Trek productions that aren't set in a post-Nemesis timeframe. Strange New Worlds will be the only one, and it's not a current production.

 

[Isaac Lawrence]

Isn't Star Trek: Picard a continuation / sequel series? How is that not "moving forward?" Isn't Lower Decks set in roughly the same timeframe?

What exactly constitutes "moving forward" if these series aren't?

In fact, there are no current Star Trek productions that aren't set in a post-Nemesis timeframe. Strange New Worlds will be the only one, and it's not a current production.

All of those series are set hundreds of years before Discovery, the flagship streaming series. So all of those series are just filling in the blanks of what's already transpired by the time Discovery lands in the 32nd century, which is now the current day Star Trek.

If Discovery hadn't jumped to the 32nd century, then Picard would be the current day Star Trek. But as it stands, Picard is set almost 800 years before Discovery.

All of those shows are nostalgia shows too. And nothing is wrong with that, but damn, everything is a nostalgia show but Discovery. And that's of course one way to do things. You don't ruffle many feathers doing that. But the only thing pushing anything forward is Discovery. And I of course feel that Star Trek should always be going forward and not filling in the blanks.

If all five current and upcoming shows were set during the same time as Discovery, then I would consider all of those shows moving things forward. Picard does get a pass though because of who the character is, it has to be set during that time otherwise the character would be dead.

Nothing about this is hard to understands though, is it? And it's not a commentary on whether someone likes those shows or not, it's just stating what is.

EDIT:
And to stay on topic, I of course pray that the 2023 movie is set during or after Discovery.

 

[fireproof78]

Discovery doesn't feel like it is pushing forward at all.

 

[Vger23]

I don’t care when it is set, to be frank. It doesn’t mean a damn to me. Give me characters and stories that resonate with me and I’m happy. Time frame means d!ck as far as I’m concerned.

 

[Isaac Lawrence]

I don’t care when it is set, to be frank. It doesn’t mean a damn to me. Give me characters and stories that resonate with me and I’m happy. Time frame means d!ck as far as I’m concerned.

Okay.

When it comes to Star Trek, characters and stories that resonate with me and make me happy are the ones that I personally feel that pushes Star Trek forward and "boldly go" forward. And when it comes to others things I may feel differently. So we just have two didn't wants and desires when it comes to Star Trek.

So question asked and answered.

 

[dupersuper]

What kind of genetic augmentation did he perform?

None, but I was responding to a comment saying using the blood was illegal as a reason that every one in the Federation isn't immortal now.

 

[fireproof78]

I don’t care when it is set, to be frank. It doesn’t mean a damn to me. Give me characters and stories that resonate with me and I’m happy. Time frame means d!ck as far as I’m concerned.

Exactly. "New Frontiers" doesn't mean time frame.

None, but I was responding to a comment saying using the blood was illegal as a reason that every one in the Federation isn't immortal now.

The transporter should make everyone immortal.

 

[dupersuper]

The transporter should make everyone immortal.

True, but unrelated.

 

[fireproof78]

True, but unrelated.

Not really. Immortal tech has been plaguing Star Trek from the word go.

 

[dupersuper]

Not really. Immortal tech has been plaguing Star Trek from the word go.

Yes, but this was a discussion about the legality of using augment blood.

 

[fireproof78]

Yes, but this was a discussion about the legality of using augment blood.

It's illegal, but McCoy was granted exemption due to extraneous circumstances. Then the information was locked away and protected by top men.

 

[Kor]

It's illegal, but McCoy was granted exemption due to extraneous circumstances. Then the information was locked away and protected by top men.

"Who??"
"Top... men."

And to be pedantic, DS9 doesn't exactly say when genetic engineering was generally outlawed. And we already have evidence from TNG that genetic engineering was still happening in the 24th century in certain settings.
Plus, there could be exceptions for Starfleet. And then, since this is a completely different universe, some things could have played out differently for whatever reasons. So there is always some wiggle room with this kind of thing.

Kor

 

[fireproof78]

"Who??"
"Top... men."

And to be pedantic, DS9 doesn't exactly say when genetic engineering was generally outlawed. And we already have evidence from TNG that genetic engineering was still happening in the 24th century in certain settings.
Plus, there could be exceptions for Starfleet. And then, since this is a completely different universe, some things could have played out differently for whatever reasons. So there is always some wiggle room with this kind of thing.

Kor

I mean, I figure with research purposes that there is wiggle room anyway. So, in general, I don't see an issue with what McCoy did. And, quite possibly, in the Prime universe, McCoy's discovery with Khan (there's a part of the man that refuses to die) might lead to further research and eventually stuff like Darwin station.

 

[RAMA]

Kelvin Universe film...could this mean an actual USS Kelvin movie?

 

[M'Sharak]

Kelvin Universe film...could this mean an actual USS Kelvin movie?

You were away for a while, so you may have missed the memo:

CBS declared the name of this reality to be the "Kelvin Timeline" in 2016 – see below.

Alternate reality | Memory Alpha | Fandom​

Al Rivera, head developer of Star Trek Online, announced that CBS had endowed the timeline with the non-canon "Kelvin Timeline" moniker. [21] Michael and Denise Okuda settled on the name after much deliberation for the fourth edition of the Star Trek Encyclopedia of 2016. [22] In June of 2016 CBS Consumer Products, the official guardian of the Star Trek franchise, confirmed that Okuda was actually tasked with creating a new moniker to commercial/promotional ends, and that it, at least where the franchise is concerned, has become the "official" one. [23]

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So, "actual USS Kelvin movie?" I don't think I'd hold my breath waiting for that, if I were you. Not just yet, anyway.

 

[F. King Daniel]

The Robau will have his day.



One day.

 

[johnjm22]

She sidelined the Noah Hawley movie because it wasn't big enough and she wants a big tent pole type of Star Trek movie. And the Quentin Tarantino movie was never meant to be anything other than a side project anyway.

So she wants to go big.

This is really disappointing to hear.

Going Big = Big Dumb Action Movie = Make It Like The MCU