WandaVision Director Matt Shakman to helm next Trek movie

[Isaac Lawrence]

This is really disappointing to hear.

Going Big = Big Dumb Action Movie = Make It Like The MCU

Or going big could equal a big, smart action movie. And can be made better than the MCU.

I personally think that Star Trek is a superior concept in comparison to the MCU, and can be done much better than the MCU. You just have to do it. And of course do it in a way that makes sense for Star Trek. Because it is a different type of property than the Marvel Cinematic Universe. One is about super-heroes, and the other is about space explorers.

A lot of people say that Star Trek isn't as big as Marvel or Star Wars. Yeah, and if you never try to be bigger than them then you never will. And if you continue to do Star Trek the way that it's always been done, then it will never be bigger than the other more popular genre properties.

The whole trying the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Yeah, it doesn't usually work, you don't usually get different results.

Also, it really isn't a competition about being "better" in the usual sense, so I really shouldn't say that. No, it's really just about making more money. So it's really about doing what Star Trek already does, but only doing it better in order to appeal to more people, and to make more money that way. And if better means vastly different, or only slightly different, then so be it. Whatever works.

Anyway, naturally I suspect Emma Watts wants to have Star Trek make as much money as possible. So when it comes to doing movies, action movies tend to make the most money. So do Star Trek movies in the manner that will make the most money. And you can do Star Trek movies as big, smart action movies. I firmly believe that is possible, because there is no one way to do Star Trek. And anyone who says that is wrong, in my opinion.

Of course, if you want to do smaller, more contemplative Star Trek stories, then you do that on your streaming service, Paramount+.

Be it a standalone mini series, or multi-part story in one of your current ongoing series. Because that's the best venue for stories of that style, I think. You don't put that kind of thing in the movie theater though. Yes, those kind of movies get Oscar consideration, but they don't usually make a great deal of money. And again, I'm guessing the idea with Star Trek is to make a great deal of money.

So, once more, smaller, more contemplative Star Trek stories for Paramount+, and big, smart action movies for the theater.

It's what I would do. And I'm guessing it's what Emma Watts will do too. And of course I could be wrong. But I'm probably not. Well... maybe not.

 

[Visitor1982]

Paramount has never been smart...

 

[donners22]

This is really disappointing to hear.

Going Big = Big Dumb Action Movie = Make It Like The MCU

It makes sense to go big; it’d be rather hard to sell as a film otherwise given the TV offerings are already quite visually impressive.

If it could be as well-received and popular as the average MCU film it will be better than most Trek films.

 

[Khan 2.0]

like the way SW'77 influenced TMP, MCU has/is influencing Trek - so far only a little (Beyond/Guardians, maybe some Disco - s2 Iron Man timetravel suit) and is likely to get stronger - well it most definitely is - as seen with the MCU writers and director for ST14.. also theres a feeling in the air/rumours etc that everythings building toward a big Avengers/Infinity level cross over event that will make Generations look like childs play (either ST14 and/or the Vasquez movie, as well as Picard/Disco) - which of course was mooted after Nemesis: Undeveloped Star Trek projects | Memory Alpha | Fandom

of course Trek was sort of doing its interconnected crossovers back in the 90s anyway..but now they've seen just how big it can get.. and Paramount will want its STCU

 

[fireproof78]

The thing about doing their version of the MCU that studios keep insisting on trying is that it involves establishing a long term plan, and being will to take short term hits. Few studios have been willing to endure underperformance in their films and not feel the need to stop the moment the feel the crunch at the box office.

Marvel had a plan and the powers that be stuck with it despite any downturns. Paramount has not demonstrated the willingness to tolerate the same.

 

[Isaac Lawrence]

like the way SW'77 influenced TMP, MCU has/is influencing Trek - so far only a little (Beyond/Guardians, maybe some Disco - s2 Iron Man timetravel suit) and is likely to get stronger - well it most definitely is - as seen with the MCU writers and director for ST14.. also theres a feeling in the air/rumours etc that everythings building toward a big Avengers/Infinity level cross over event that will make Generations look like childs play (either ST14 and/or the Vasquez movie, as well as Picard/Disco) - which of course was mooted after Nemesis: Undeveloped Star Trek projects | Memory Alpha | Fandom

of course Trek was sort of doing its interconnected crossovers back in the 90s anyway..but now they've seen just how big it can get.. and Paramount will want its STCU

Yep, 90s Star Trek was more together than it is today.

So my solution is do the 90s again, only better this time.

The thing about doing their version of the MCU that studios keep insisting on trying is that it involves establishing a long term plan, and being will to take short term hits. Few studios have been willing to endure underperformance in their films and not feel the need to stop the moment the feel the crunch at the box office.

Marvel had a plan and the powers that be stuck with it despite any downturns. Paramount has not demonstrated the willingness to tolerate the same.

Yeah, that's true.

Of course, Paramount is under different leadership now when it comes to Star Trek. And there is a blueprint for how to do this. But yes, you have to have a plan in order to do this.

We'll of course know what's going on once they say what the movie is about. Is it's set post-Discovery, then I would say they have a plan. A continuation of the Kelvin timeline... they may have a plan. Anything else though then I would say they have no plan, they're just doing movies.

Well, unless it's a total reboot, then yeah, they most certainly have a plan... probably.

 

[Khan 2.0]

Pines 'Saint' film has been shelved.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/rege-jean-page-the-saint-movie-1234988363/
maybe Paramount want to use him for Trek instead?

 

[fireproof78]

Yeah, that's true.

Of course, Paramount is under different leadership now when it comes to Star Trek. And there is a blueprint for how to do this. But yes, you have to have a plan in order to do this.

We'll of course know what's going on once they say what the movie is about. Is it's set post-Discovery, then I would say they have a plan. A continuation of the Kelvin timeline... they may have a plan. Anything else though then I would say they have no plan, they're just doing movies.

Well, unless it's a total reboot, then yeah, they most certainly have a plan... probably.

Not just a plan but a willingness to tolerate short term bumps. Few studios will take that.

 

[Isaac Lawrence]

Not just a plan but a willingness to tolerate short term bumps. Few studios will take that.

Yes, very true.

It is a very hard thing to pull off. And I guess that's why really only one studio has been able to do it.

With Star Trek in specific... doing like Marvel and doing three and four movies a year I would think would be a mistake. Pretty much only Marvel can pull that off it seems. And Star Trek may be able to build up to that, but one step at a time.

So what I was thinking, is doing the television series, yes, all connected, and all set in the 32nd century...

But do three or four different live-action shows, all focusing on different aspects of Star Trek. And I would set up those shows in the 2023 movie, but whatever... And yeah, don't do three or four live-action shows, set in the 32nd century, and have every one of those shows be "ship, captain, bridge... blah-blah-blah... planet-of-the-week" shows.

Just do one show like that, not everything.

No, maybe have another show be specially about Starfleet Headquarters and what goes on there. And maybe do a Starfleet Academy show about what goes on at Starfleet Academy. And you can also use that show as a feeder system, as a "farm team." You can use a show like that to constantly introduce new characters, and you can use those characters for 10 or 15 years or more. In that, we first meet them at Starfleet Academy, and watch them progress over the years as they move up in ranks through Starfleet. And put them into other shows where we see them on a ship for the first time... y'know, that sort of thing. Follow them that way.

Yes, put a Section 31 show in there too in order to see another side of the Federation. And also maybe do another show set on a ship, but is not a "ship, captain, bridge... blah-blah-blah... planet-of-the-week" show. Just do something different with that dynamic.

So there's a lot of shows you can do, and all of us can easily come up with a dozen shows no problem, I sure.

But, y'know, boil it down to a manageable number. Do the shows, and have an over-arching (but underlying to allow the shows to do their own thing) theme running throughout all of them, and then you pay it off in a movie every two or three years. You build everything up in your, yes, connected shows, and you pay it off in your movies. And then start it all over again. Come up with another "thing," and play it through all of the shows and build it up, and pay it off in a movie.

So do Marvel, just do it in a different way.

 

[RAMA]

There may be a chance of some movie info on Star Trek Day Sept 8th.

 

[seigezunt]

I'm assuming they will reboot it again, or maybe a Discovery movie.

 

[STEPhon IT]

Pines 'Saint' film has been shelved.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/rege-jean-page-the-saint-movie-1234988363/
maybe Paramount want to use him for Trek instead?

I don't believe Pine is a top billed star but rather a supporting actor type which he's done very well. Other than Star Trek, I haven't had any interest in any of his Top Billed roles.

 

[Mudd]

Nonetheless they continue to be offered to him, because he's a top-billed star.

He just doesn't behave like one.