Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies: Kelvin Universe' started by Ryan Thomas Riddle, Jul 14, 2021.
I think they want more a of certainty of success, rather than a certain box office figure.
Happy to hear that Pine/Quinto are likely to be back.
I wouldn't get my hopes up. Nothing is solid.
You're right, but Deadline is reporting that while no contracts are signed, it is believed the film is meant to star the Kelvin cast. Other outlets are now picking up on the story.
"It is believed" is reckless speculation speak.
When coming from We Got This Covered or Giant Freaking Robot, it is.
Not coming from Deadline, Variety or Hollywood Reporter.
It may not come to pass. But it's neither ungrounded speculation nor poorly sourced.
It's still speculation that I will not take seriously. Fool me once, etc.
Deadline is great and all, probably has great sources. Doesn't mean this is set in stone. Thus, speculation, and at time reckless to say "Can't wait to see Pine and Quinto back!"
That's how rumors get started.
Justin Kroll is the best entertainment reporter in Hollywood. If he says something you can pretty much take it to the bank.
That's really twisting words to justify "speculation." Because it isn't.
Oh, OK. I'll just take your word for it then. What bank am I cashing this in at? I could use the money.
You don’t have to take my word for it, his career speaks for itself.
Hopefully, the really get this baby made this time. In my eyes, the Abramsverse needs a better closure than 'Beyond' would have been. Regardless of how you rate the film, it was still too much of a 'series episode at movie length' to really serve as an epic conclusion for this crew (or even this timeline).
You're the one making the assertion. So, I'm going with I don't see the need to take it seriously. If the film happens, great. If not, I won't be the least bit surprised.
They are definitely hoping for bigger box office, but we've been down this road already with the hiring of Justin Lin and the F&F-inspired trailer. Simon Pegg said in an interview once words to the effect that in Paramount's eyes, they should be bringing in half a billion dollars more with each movie than they are. That's just not realistic to expect. And I don't think people turned up in droves for Captain Marvel and Wandavision because they heard these particular creatives were involved. They did because the MCU is the most popular movie franchise and people were excited to see those characters have their stories told. Star Trek doesn't have the same mainstream appeal.
They always hope for a bigger box office. That's kind of why they make films is to make money. Making all the money will always be the goal. But, with Viacom overseeing the whole thing perhaps the fear of loss will be curtailed slightly.
If they want big profits, I just don't think Trek is capable of that mega income from a 200m budget blockbuster. What they should do, is something closer to the Alien movies, make it a bit more about exploration. I think Beyond would have cost a lot less and made a lot more money if you cut out a lot of the needless action, the strength of that movie was its interactions more than anything.
I did not enjoy Wandavision at all. I can only see them using TV directors (as they have Clarkson, and Hawley in their last two aborted Enterprises) as them going cheap. It'll be nice to see the Kelvinverse crew again if that comes to pass, but I feel the time has passed.
But we'll see. I'd love to be proven wrong.
That's the trick, of course.
You probably have to do Star Trek in a different way. Because if you continue to do Star Trek the same way that it's always been done, then you know you have a certain ceiling... which is Star Trek Into Darkness and just shy of $500 million. And I'm still surprised that I just realized the other week that that was the highest grossing Star Trek movie ever, because I just assumed it was Star Trek (2009).
What of course entails "doing Star Trek different" is the billion dollar question.
Action is one obvious answer. Because the three highest grossing Star Trek movies are the ones with the action. So do that, only better.
No, but if the "Marvel people" are bringing the action, then let's see. And action that makes sense for Star Trek. So maybe The Original Series kind of action: fighting in slow motion against people in lizard suits.
Probably not that, I guess.
Also, if you're doing a movie, then spend the money. And if you don't want to spend the money, then don't do a movie and put in the theater, just put it on Paramount+.
Doing Star Trek movies on mid-to-low budgets doesn't make much sense to me, because you've already seen how that works, and the diminishing returns. No one has any interest in seeing that other than the hardcore. And even they got tired of it eventually.
So don't do it on the cheap. Go big, or just put it on Paramount+.
Not to covet thy neighbor's fandom, and yeah, I have zero interest in the Marvel movies, but the way that they have everything structured does work (at risk of stating the obvious).
EDIT: Zero interest in Marvel other than the Fantastic Four, that is...
Anyway, Star Trek could do that, just do it in a way that makes sense for Star Trek. Do the slow burn in the TV shows, and use that as set up for the big action story in the movies. I hope that is the plan too. TV shows that set up the movies. That requires planning, of course. But okay, do the planning then...
That is the secret of the success of Marvel though, I guess: they have a plan, and everything leads up to the big thing, and rinse and repeat. And that engages the fans.
Star Trek could easily do that. It's already built for that. But first, don't do anymore of that episodic bullsh*t and keep it all serialized (and I didn't mean to say that out loud).
No, but keep it all serialized and keep it moving forward. And do different, and keep it all connected, but don't do all of these different eras. That's too much fragmentation. And it's impossible to build up anything that way because everything is all over the place. So finish up what you're doing now, and please don't do that anymore.
So far though it doesn't look like they're going to do any of what I said, but whatever.
No, but the next Paramount+ series that they announce will be key. If it's set during or after Discovery, then we might be cooking with fire. If it's set in some other era before Discovery, then these people obviously don't want to make any money.
Maybe Kalinda is writing a P+ movie?
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