Spoilers Walking Dead Season 8 discussion and spoilers.

[Morpheus 02]

Interesting...the map shown in the preview for next week shows Hilltop in or around the Warrenton or Culpepper area. That's quite a ways from Alexandria. Even going at high speeds it would take some time to get around but they zip around and make it look like they're in the next town over!

Has anyone done a map that shows where Alexandria Hilltop The Kingdom and The Sanctuary approximately are?

 

[137th Gebirg]

There are several that you can find on Google Images and Google Maps with extra GIS layers, but none appear to be that accurate, either because they're just sloppily done or follow the graphic novel which reflect different events and timeline. Alexandria is a real city south of D.C. and looks nothing like what's in the show. This new map they briefly showed on-screen shows circles surrounding an X where Hilltop is allegedly supposed to be (Culpepper/Warrenton/Bealeton). Oceanside is likely in Maryland or somewhere along the DelMarVa peninsula. Still not sure where the Kingdom is supposed to be, but the show seems to want to keep the distances short for the story's expediency.

 

[publiusr]

Lovecraft county

Alexandria is a real city south of D.C. and looks nothing like what's in the show.

Not surprising. Alabama looks more like Lovecraft county than anything in Massachusetts
Tuscaloosa in 2011 say

 

[Jayson1]

I have a question. Is anyone else getting tired of all the stuff taking place in the forrest? This has been a issue for the show for a very long time and fro some reason it doesn't feel as much fun as it was on "Stargate." When you got a show about the fall of society part of the fun is seeing society in ruins. I know the show basically has no money to work with since AMC went cheap in them in season 2 but it's just something that annoys me a little bit.

Jason

 

[crookeddy]

I have a question. Is anyone else getting tired of all the stuff taking place in the forrest? This has been a issue for the show for a very long time and fro some reason it doesn't feel as much fun as it was on "Stargate." When you got a show about the fall of society part of the fun is seeing society in ruins. I know the show basically has no money to work with since AMC went cheap in them in season 2 but it's just something that annoys me a little bit.

Jason

Why DID AMC go cheap on them? It was one of the most watched shows on TV, why did they get their budget slashed? Imagine if the same thing happened to GOT half way through their run...

 

[137th Gebirg]

Probably spreading themselves too thin between Fear and TWD. Kill one, keep the other.

 

[Jayson1]

Actually this was before Fear was even conceived. I'm not sure why they did it but if I recall this is one of the reasons Darabount left the show or got fired. PLus isn't their some lawsuits going around involving the comic creator and basically people being screwed out of money? I do know one of the reasons why everyone hates season 2 is because they had to always be stuck on the farm because they didn't have money to do anything else which was different from season one where you had stuff happening in the streets of Atlanta.

Jason

 

[Push The Button]

Rick doesn't seem like much more than a war criminal. He has seen a lot, but that still does not excuse his actions.

He hasn't been right since talking with Lori on the phone after she was gone....if not before.

Carl was originally going to be the last one of the original group left alive. Now that's not going to happen.

It makes you wonder what direction they're ultimately going to take.

At some point, they could take it back to square one with Rick just waking up again.

Stranger things have been known to happen in The Kingdom....of Hollywood.

I'll piss myself laughing if Rick wakes up in his hospital bed, and all of the events of the entire series were part of a coma-induced nightmare.

Did anyone get a good screencap of the helicopter? Was there an insignia on the side? Also, Jadis had a radio, and we know that there is a helipad near the junkyard, so what gives? This has suddenly become the most interesting part of the show for me, it reminds me of the first season of Lost.

 

[Starkers]

I've been waiting for the Jadis/helicopter reveal since Simon made reference to the helipad. Seriously though if the show keeps revolving around people bungling/choosing not to kill Negan pretty soon we're going to end up in Dr Evil territory and Rick will leave him tied up over a pool of piranhas or something!

That might be as close as Rick's come to me just giving up on him, but for all the terrible things he's done the hint of a conscience (compared to Negan or the Governor) is what stops me outright hating him. The scene where he asks why Morgan saved him and Morgan said "Because I had my boy with me" plus the fact Rick then got to look himself in the mirror, plus the fact he then finally read Carl's letter makes me think he knows he's at a crossroads, knows he could take the wrong path.

I know "he knows he's done bad things" is a lame excuse, but it is the thing that really differentiates him from Negan and co.

Talking of Negan, they really do seem to be setting him up for a Face Turn don't they? In a way I can understand it, JDM is a really engaging actor after all, but Negan's done some pretty dark stuff, I don't see truth and reconciliation going quite that far.

 

[General_Phoenix]

Yeah they seem to be trying to give Negan a path to redemption, although it will be incredibly difficult to do considering how they initially set the character up. Brutally murdering two people in his grand entrance, and melting peoples faces off is a hard thing to overcome.

Then you have people like Maggie who would probably never accept Negan as anything but a ruthless thug. Maybe Negan will have a moment of Zen the way Morgan did...as brief as that was.

Speaking of which, they could have portrayed Negan as a person tormented by what happened to his family (it has been hinted at) but since he is a total jerk in almost all his encounters it's hard to feel sympathy for him.

Jadis should have torched Lucille. Would have been worth it just to see Negan lose his mind.

 

[Jayson1]

Yeah they seem to be trying to give Negan a path to redemption, although it will be incredibly difficult to do considering how they initially set the character up. Brutally murdering two people in his grand entrance, and melting peoples faces off is a hard thing to overcome.

Then you have people like Maggie who would probably never accept Negan as anything but a ruthless thug. Maybe Negan will have a moment of Zen the way Morgan did...as brief as that was.

Speaking of which, they could have portrayed Negan as a person tormented by what happened to his family (it has been hinted at) but since he is a total jerk in almost all his encounters it's hard to feel sympathy for him.

Jadis should have torched Lucille. Would have been worth it just to see Negan lose his mind.

Well they can establish that Negan has always been a jerk even before the zombie uprising and only know is he starting to learn a lesson that his old values have been wrong. Just because he was in love and married doesn't mean he was a good man. I could see him even falling in love with Jadis and they both leave the area and thus the show but of course will be available for future use.

Jason

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

I do know one of the reasons why everyone hates season 2 is because they had to always be stuck on the farm because they didn't have money to do anything else which was different from season one where you had stuff happening in the streets of Atlanta.

Some fans dont know what they want. They whined about season two, wanting more zombies and action, but when they were served exactly what they wanted, they complain that the series is more action than the sub-genre of survival horror. Frankly, i've always thought season two was one of TWD's best, as it was the season that best defined who Rick, Carl, Carol, Glenn and Daryl were/would be. That, and the Shane arc (a captivating antagonist--rare for this show) was great, smoldering drama all season long.

Yeah they seem to be trying to give Negan a path to redemption, although it will be incredibly difficult to do considering how they initially set the character up. Brutally murdering two people in his grand entrance, and melting peoples faces off is a hard thing to overcome.

....and I see Rick's mercy in the Negan situation being the permanent rift in his relationship with Maggie. This could be an excuse for Maggie leaving / solving the disgruntled Lauren Cohan problem.

 

[Jayson1]

I think the big issue with season was more about the lack of scope. There is going to be some letdown from seeing Atlanta in ruins to some old farm. People don't talk about but in shows and movies like this people enjoy seeing burned out buildings and flipped over cars and basically constant reminders that the old world is now dead but all the crap in it is still around. PLus the search for the missing kid felt like a waste of time. The kid wasn't important enough to care about and frankly neither was Carol at that point in time of the show. She did grow into a character that season though so that was a positive.

Jason

 

[Starkers]

What's the disgruntled Lauren Cohen problem? Does she want out or just for them to give her a decent storyline?

 

[Q2UnME]

^ Currently, Cohen is in the middle of a prolonged contract negotiation. Apparently, it's a battle over salary. She has already been cast as a lead character in a pilot over at another network.

 

[Jayson1]

^ Currently, Cohen is in the middle of a prolonged contract negotiation. Apparently, it's a battle over salary. She has already been cast as a lead character in a pilot over at another network.

Another example of AMC being cheap? I suspect they feel every character can be replaced except RIck and Darryl. RIck is the heart of the show and Darryl is popular with older ladies. I know my mom has a thing for him.

Jason

 

[General_Phoenix]

If the show continues then the storylines will be vastly different without Carl, and if Maggie is no longer around. A serious divergence from the comics could be a good thing though, maybe do something vastly different after All Out War is finished.

 

[crookeddy]

If the show continues then the storylines will be vastly different without Carl, and if Maggie is no longer around. A serious divergence from the comics could be a good thing though, maybe do something vastly different after All Out War is finished.

Such as... end. This show is begging for at least the beginning of an end.

 

[TrickyDickie]

Tuscaloosa in 2011

My wife and I volunteered down there for 2 months after the tornado. FEMA and The Red Cross made quite a mess of the recovery effort. Just as one example, the Red Cross idiots demanded that all donated bottled water be organized according to brand, bottle size, etc. We did not have the amount of volunteers necessary to get into ridiculous minutiae like that. The result? Tons of donated bottled water sat outside in a parking lot for weeks and the hot Alabama sun leeched the chemicals in the plastic from the bottles into the water and made it poisonous and unable to be used. And that was just the tip of the iceberg with the bureaucratic bullshit. We could tell a lot of horror stories.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

I think the big issue with season was more about the lack of scope. There is going to be some letdown from seeing Atlanta in ruins to some old farm. People don't talk about but in shows and movies like this people enjoy seeing burned out buildings and flipped over cars and basically constant reminders that the old world is now dead but all the crap in it is still around.

Seeing abandoned/ruined cities can only go so far in terms of interest, meaning, if you've seen one ravaged city, you've seen them all, as some would put it. There had to be time for character development, otherwise, its Return of the Living Dead / Apocalypse of the Dead / the Resident Evil movies all over again, and that gets old pretty fast.

PLus the search for the missing kid felt like a waste of time. The kid wasn't important enough to care about and frankly neither was Carol at that point in time of the show. She did grow into a character that season though so that was a positive.
Jason

Searching for Sophia was one of the key character building plotlines; it laid out the difference between those still trying to be human (Rick, Daryl, Dale, Lori) and those all too ready to see things in simple "kill or be killed" terms, and just write off any chance of finding the child (Shane, and Andrea, up to a point). If anyone ever wanted to see how the old world was gone, losing a child in an environment where no hope of the once-expected support of organized government / services (police / fire / hospitals, etc.) fit that desire.

Season two created the kind of Walking Dead that would keep audiences coming back for more, as they were able to see fleshed out humans who were worth following. That only happened with paced development, as opposed to too much of this current Negan arc, where its one leap to adversarial behavior to another, with few characters maintaining interest for more than a couple of episodes (Michonne, Carl--when he was around, Father Gabriel, et al.).