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Spoilers Walking Dead Season 8 discussion and spoilers.

So when Rick was thrown out of the window he had his gun in his hand, Negan had Lucille and Rick... runs away? Do I remember that correctly? Rick had a lot of chances to end it, just like in the first ep of the season, but no, Negan has plot-god-mode on all the time.
 
At one point, I recall reading that he wanted to go to school full time but then turn around and said that wasn't the reason he left. Lots of strange mixed messages coming out of the production on this one.
 
Read the interview with Chandler Riggs that I posted last night. That will help explain where his father is coming from.
There's still a lot of mixed messages coming out though.
 
I'm only ok with Carl dying if Chandler is going to school. Even then I'd prefer if they just recast him.

Anyone else notice they are following the same parental standard of care with Judith as they did with Carl? Only in Rick's family would someone lovingly kiss a toddler goodbye and then walk away leaving the toddler alone at the edge of a lake.
 
That should have hit home harder than it did but it was so telegraphed it was untrue. Given all the Carl moments/heroics I was almost expecting a bait and switch and for Daryl to be killed offhandedy by a random saviour instead.

Seriously though Carl, when were you going to mention you'd been bit? I mean you might turn at any time, you know whilst cuddling your sister or something.

With regard to game changing I'd still maintain that, offing Rick aside, the biggest game changer would be if someone gets bit/killed and doesn't turn into a Walker. The shock move would be that Carl either a/ doesn't die or b/dies but doesn't come back.

I'm getting somewhat tired of Negan wandering around with only a bat and standing in plain sight where any half decent sniper could off him and nobody even takes a shot? And as someone else said, why didn't Rick whack Negan with the business end of Lucille? (I guess there's an element of "Negan can surrender" but it still seems thin)
 
Talk about bloated direction... Could've been a very effective 1 hour finale, instead of all these pretentious close-ups of faces having gone through pretty much the same thing year after year. And then short shrift on the admittedly telegraphed Carl death scene. The story itself was decent, although the conflict has been drawn out way too much, and with Carl's death scene being an afterthought, kind of disappointing.
 
Trekker4747 said:
I'd say Eugene is irredeemable at this point. He can go down with the rest of Negan and his Lieutenants barring something extraordinary.
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The problem is, the post-walker world is going to need people like Eugene, smart people that know how to build and design and fix things, and they are probably in short supply at this point. I love Rick and Daryl, but those aren't the guys that are going to know how to make Penicillin or batteries, or how to refine metals.
 
Push The Button said:
The problem is, the post-walker world is going to need people like Eugene, smart people that know how to build and design and fix things, and they are probably in short supply at this point. I love Rick and Daryl, but those aren't the guys that are going to know how to make Penicillin or batteries, or how to refine metals.
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And that's maybe the one thing that'll keep Eugene alive.
 
The more I think about this whole season the more I hactually joins Rickst. I have literally spent the last 10 weeks trying to figure out what was going on. It wasn't till Sunday that I realized the whole plan was just to trap the saviors and starve them out.

Ever plot line has been so thin and so disjointed. The main characters have had nothing to do for the whole season. Daryl's been driving around, Carol's just walking through the woods. Michonne has been babysitting for God's sake.

Gah. :brickwall:

btw Ive hear that in the comics Negan survives and actully joins Ricks group. May be why no one has killed him yet.
 
Beagleman said:
So when Rick was thrown out of the window he had his gun in his hand, Negan had Lucille and Rick... runs away? Do I remember that correctly? Rick had a lot of chances to end it, just like in the first ep of the season, but no, Negan has plot-god-mode on all the time.
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Its the same plot armor that has James Bond fall into endless death traps, but talk or gadget his way out, when anyone else would have died. Its also the same plot armor that has Supergirl's Alex barely gets so much as a scratch when facing threats only a superbeing should face, or manage to dodge bullets fired at her at close range. Either one just forgets it happened (even if the logical outcome would have been a pivotal story point), or it ruins the belivablity of the entire series for you.
 
Push The Button said:
The problem is, the post-walker world is going to need people like Eugene, smart people that know how to build and design and fix things, and they are probably in short supply at this point. I love Rick and Daryl, but those aren't the guys that are going to know how to make Penicillin or batteries, or how to refine metals.
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You need people with training like Hershel and Doctor S. (season 4)--people with valuable skills and the necessary moral fibre to go along with it, instead of the frightened, self serving, morally bankrupt types like Eugene. For every good contribution, he has three highly questionable acts to smother the former. I'm not saying he's useless (see: Rosita), but his apparently lack of morals makes him an unreliable asset in the ZA.
 
Push The Button said:
The problem is, the post-walker world is going to need people like Eugene, smart people that know how to build and design and fix things, and they are probably in short supply at this point. I love Rick and Daryl, but those aren't the guys that are going to know how to make Penicillin or batteries, or how to refine metals.
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Thing is, at this point it's an apocalypse, a reboot switch. Much of that humanity will probably just have to figure out all over again.
 
I'm fine with keeping Eugene alive, but just under house arrest and mining him for knowledge basically. You stay in your safe little cage in exchange for helping us do things.

But I'm tired of the diatribes they write for him thinking they are clever, so I'm good with just capping him too.

I thought Carl wanted out earlier on, so seems like he got it and now doesn't want it. Messy.
 
I just remember how in Steven King's " The Stand ". When Molly Ringwald's character finally has her baby, it is sick at first, and then gets better. It is explained that when both parents are immune to that plague the baby will be born with out getting sick at all. If you look at any known plague that has hit man kind; there have always been some that are immune, or survive the sickness. What if they are going to go with someone like that here. It still wouldn't indicate that Rick would be the immune parent, because Lori died in child birth and then Carl made sure that his mom wouldn't come back.
 
The thing that always bothered me about that whole scene was that they never found Lori's body. Rick got down there, found another walker, opened it up to see if he could find remains and, IIRC, he didn't. Lori just seemed to disappear and I always expected her to show up again as a walker herself for a brief moment of artificial drama. I think there was a point they wanted to leave some kind of door open there back then, but so long after now, though, and with Carl about to bow out, it's all kind of moot anyway.
 
Starkers said:
With regard to game changing I'd still maintain that, offing Rick aside, the biggest game changer would be if someone gets bit/killed and doesn't turn into a Walker. The shock move would be that Carl either a/ doesn't die or b/dies but doesn't come back.
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Either one of those would give this show a much needed booster shot. I'd personally love to see the former case, where they start realizing the Zombie virus can be cured, or at least people grow immune. The idea that the world can return to "normal" would be enough to get through a couple more seasons.
 
wissaboo said:
Ever plot line has been so thin and so disjointed. The main characters have had nothing to do for the whole season. Daryl's been driving around, Carol's just walking through the woods. Michonne has been babysitting for God's sake.

Gah. :brickwall:
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You've pretty much summed up the entirety of The Walking Dead :)
 
Interesting because the stories going forward will be slightly different without Carl, compared to the comics.

I hope Negan stays, I would like to see him become the unexpected ally to Rick and Co. that he became in the comic books.
 
Borgminister said:
Talk about bloated direction... Could've been a very effective 1 hour finale, instead of all these pretentious close-ups of faces having gone through pretty much the same thing year after year. And then short shrift on the admittedly telegraphed Carl death scene. The story itself was decent, although the conflict has been drawn out way too much, and with Carl's death scene being an afterthought, kind of disappointing.
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Yea that was kind of out of left field. Had no idea how he got bit.
 
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