Vulcan, know thyself

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

Spock is unique in the Kelvinverse; he has spoken with his future self (albeit from another reality) and has a unique perspective on his own life based on what he knows of his counterpart. He's his own (adopted) grandpa, essentially. (Little Spock Prime has also spoken to his future self, from an alternate timeline)

(Kirk only knows what little Spock Prime shared with him about his Jim/reality, from the Vulcan's perspective.)

Sarek has a rival for influence in Spock's life. How can he compete with his own son as a model for his son?

 

[Tosk]

Kirk only knows what little Spock Prime shared with him about his Jim/reality, from the Vulcan's perspective.

I'd argue KelvinKirk perhaps knows PrimeSpock better than KelvinSpock does. A mind meld can be a very personal connection

 

[fireproof78]

Kirk only knows what little Spock Prime shared with him about his Jim/reality, from the Vulcan's perspective

I would not understate the impact that Prime Spock had on Kelvin Kirk. Not only did Spock provide much deeper insight in to Spock but also spoke to an unmet need that Kirk was wrestling with regarding his dad.

Edited for clarity.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

Imagine Kirk also trying to tell Spock how he should run his life based on what he learned. It'd be like having three dads in one (Sarek, Kirk, and briefly Spock Prime)

 

[F. King Daniel]

Imagine Kirk also trying to tell Spock how he should run his life based on what he learned. It'd be like having three dads in one (Sarek, Kirk, and briefly Spock Prime)

Somehow still less parents than Michael Burnham amassed during her adventures

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

How many? Her real mom and Dad, Sarek and Amanda, that's four, plus anyone she considered a mentor...

I would not understand the impact that Prime Spock had on Kelvin Kirk.

So for Kirk's parental figures, there's George('s reputation), Winona, his uncle/stepdad (who supposedly is lousy), Pike, Spock Prime...

 

[fireproof78]

for Kirk's parental figures, there's George('s reputation), Winona, his uncle/stepdad (who supposedly is lousy), Pike, Spock Prime...

Yes, but the lack in the father figure who gave a crap in his formative years may have an impact and why he needed those connections.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

I was just counting to see how many (good, bad or indifferent) he has compared to Michael.

 

[F. King Daniel]

How many? Her real mom and Dad, Sarek and Amanda, that's four, plus anyone she considered a mentor...

Sarek and Amanda, her actual parents who were Not Dead Afterall, then mentors like Phillipa Georgiou and Mirror Georgiou who was more than that because in the mirrorverse she was her actual adopted mother. And throw in Admiral Vance, who somehow was a mentor despite being Admiral of Absolutely Nothing for over 100 years until Discovery brought Star Trekking back to the Federation.

 

[M'Sharak]

Michael Burnham

Also not the correct forum for that.

Discussion of Michael Burnham properly belongs in the Star Trek: Discovery forum.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

I'd argue KelvinKirk perhaps knows PrimeSpock better than KelvinSpock does. A mind meld can be a very personal connection

And by extension, Prime McCoy? The remnants of living in someone's head for a while. That's a lot of minds.

 

[Tosk]

And by extension, Prime McCoy? The remnants of living in someone's head for a while. That's a lot of minds.

I don't know how far it should be extended. Otherwise it'd mean that KelvinKirk also knows Picard, and through him, Sarek, and through him Michael Burnham...

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

Some are closer to the surface than others, I suppose.