Voyagers BoBW?

[Guy Gardener]

Kipron I like to describe those as "Couplets" which come about because a writer pitches a sequel, or a producer wants to bring back a guest actor they enjoyed working with and forces people to write around this. Stargate came to be the master of this, before they began actually designing complete seasons focused on a single contention or villain.

But as often as Voyager tried to paint a larger picture they quickly doused the canvas in turpentine... the Doctor as an Ass in Paralax was it? The Cloud? That was fabulous, but as of Heroes and Demons, 10 episodes into the first season, he so shagged that Valkerye just like Harry was meant to, his days as grinch were well behind him proving that his evolution into a rounded sympathetic character was complete... So the only way to make The Doctor learn how to be a person is to have him forget what he's already learned.

Okay maybe there was that episode where Kes gave him the flu. Goodness she was a minx. And was it me or did you want to see him revisit his family(More sex he can brag to Andy Dick about.)?

K. The Borg in Scorpion. No Queen. Seven as a bridge. Starting wars in other realms they don't have the balls to back up bring doom upon the entire galaxy... Wow that's relevant for today. A year and a half later the Queen shows up claiming Seven was a sleeper devised to teach the Borg about individuality, the queen is killed. Boom. A year later the queen somehow alive decides that the Borg are not allowed to dream and that all will bow down to her, her organ monkey Seven turns out to be a Borg Dreamer despite being a singled out sock puppet of the Queens, and has a boyfriend she forgets about to be dragged off to Chacotay's teepee not too long after. Janeway becomes the great emanstipator freeing thousands of drones who then wreck havoc on the Borg fleet conquering maybe hundreds of ships beginning a Borg Civil War? Not that any of that is worth mentioning a year later when the Queen(Who is a complete reactionary in this story.) has a facelift and Janeway(s) go 911 on her transwarp switching station Killing the Queen again.

Seven might have "evolved" as a person, but she suffered from the same regressions as the Doctor and didn't embrace her humanity half as fast or as well as Icheb who pulled part of his brain out to give to Seven because he loved her so much... An infatuation which was conveniently swept under the carpet after the credits.

I really don't see one sweeping linear story about the Borg throughout Voyager adding up to anything except coincidence and happenstance.

 

[kipron]

Guy Gardener said:
I really don't see one sweeping linear story about the Borg throughout Voyager adding up to anything except coincidence and happenstance.

Were it not for coincidence and happenstance, Janeway would've used a timer and they would've made it back home in the very first episode.

Somehow I don't mind the regression. I almost prefer it to the alternative - can you imagine how fucked up Seven would be if allowed to develop like an actual person? She's like a rape victim, war criminal and chemically-unbalanced child all rolled into one. Issues.

Sometimes the random and non-linear can be a respite from the real. And for the real we have Battlestar, at least in theory. I genuinely feel there is a place for both.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Caretaker raped the crew in the beginning. Seska raped Chakotay. Vorrik mind raped B'Elanna as a prelude to date rape which infected B'Elanna to the Point that she tried to rape Tom, but is it "rape" when you want her to do it? Voyager had been glossing rape for a while there well before Seven arrived.

I found it quite chilling when Seven was talking about how it hurt as they inserted her prosthtic eye, or how she called her parents idiots for allowing all that bunk to happen to her and them in the first place.

I suppose that emotional limiter device which stops her from falling in love from Human Error also stops her spinning out because she's almost as emotionally blank as Agent Riley Finn half the time?

But yes, your description of Seven's underlying and unexplored issues did have me reaching for a comparison to Battlestar too. Funny enough I think she's Baltar, or vice versus, being seduced into the side of unvirtuousness accidentally and all followed by a healthy dolloping of guilt and disassociation. Although she wasn't half the timebomb he was, but maybe she should have been?

back on point...

I had a friend jumping and hyperventilating telling me that I must see, that I must must watch this... He was talking about Scorpion and he was screaming in my ear "LOOK AT ALL THOSE CUBES!!!" Scorpion did change everything, but only broadly, because most of the rest of season four could have been season two, as we thought about the immaterial level of menace just over the horizon which was going to make Janeway's life insanely more difficult... But nothing really changed.

The Best of Both Worlds was better because fresh people were taking power reinvigorating the franchise as the fine people from the 60s faded, it was the time for a next generation to write next generation stories... Unfortunately the only real change of leadership after that behind the scenes didn't happen until Voyager season 10 (You might know that better as TNG Season 17.) when Manny Coto was allowed to wreck havoc shortly before Enterprise was canceled.