Voyagers Aeroshuttle

[PhoenixIreland]

Maybe it's how they magically managed to have like 100 shuttles even though they had room for around 5?
Tho just using the Aeroshuttle would have been better to begin with as it would have been more robust than a shuttle

 

[Timo]

Actually in an episode of the series it is mentioned that Voyager was designed specifically for Combat Performance.

Nope, not really. Rather, a joke is made on how the ship wasn't designed for musical performance.

We never learn on screen what the mission profile of the Voyager was (combat, exploration and couriering are all witnessed on screen, whereas planetary survey, the mission profile of the Equinox, is treated as different from the mission profile of the hero ship). We never learn what her official designation might be (light cruiser, heavy scout, pink corsair and fast penetration yacht are all equally possible). We never learn what the aims and goals of her designers were, or which of her varying attributes such as speed, agility or landing capability are primary criteria and which are compromise-ridden afterthoughts.

Since the Aeroshuttle was apparently a design feature while the Delta Flyer was not, we might surmise that the two were dissimilar in capabilities; otherwise Janeway would probably just have whipped up the blueprints of the missing Aeroshuttle from Starfleet archives and ordered Tom Paris to build that. Hence we might deduce that the ship was originally designed not to need the capabilities of the Delta Flyer. Or then we might deduce otherwise. Nothing is established onscreen, and pretty much anything can be conjectured.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[exodus]

Actually in an episode of the series it is mentioned that Voyager was designed specifically for Combat Performance.

Nope, not really. Rather, a joke is made on how the ship wasn't designed for musical performance.

We never learn on screen what the mission profile of the Voyager was (combat, exploration and couriering are all witnessed on screen, whereas planetary survey, the mission profile of the Equinox, is treated as different from the mission profile of the hero ship). We never learn what her official designation might be (light cruiser, heavy scout, pink corsair and fast penetration yacht are all equally possible). We never learn what the aims and goals of her designers were, or which of her varying attributes such as speed, agility or landing capability are primary criteria and which are compromise-ridden afterthoughts.

I could have sworn we learned all this during first/second season and recapped again in "Relitivity".

Voyager is a scout ship that is also designed for combat, considering it's designed for deep space exploration and to go where much larger ships can't. It's a ship that's meant to be self sustaining with the structural design to take a beating if under fire as well as being fast to exit a situations it can't.

Why else would you send an Intrepid class ship into the hostile Badlands to track down the aggressive Maquis or deep into Romulan space without back up? They've shown us exactly what that class of ships purpose is.

 

[Mrs Paris]

Actually in an episode of the series it is mentioned that Voyager was designed specifically for Combat Performance.

Nope, not really. Rather, a joke is made on how the ship wasn't designed for musical performance.

We never learn on screen what the mission profile of the Voyager was (combat, exploration and couriering are all witnessed on screen, whereas planetary survey, the mission profile of the Equinox, is treated as different from the mission profile of the hero ship). We never learn what her official designation might be (light cruiser, heavy scout, pink corsair and fast penetration yacht are all equally possible). We never learn what the aims and goals of her designers were, or which of her varying attributes such as speed, agility or landing capability are primary criteria and which are compromise-ridden afterthoughts.

I could have sworn we learned all this during first season and recapped again in "Relitivity".

Voyager is a scout ship that is also designed for combat, considering it's designed for deep space exploration and to go where much larger ships can't. It's a ship that's meant to be self sustaining with the structural design to take a beating if under fire as well as being fast to exit a situations it can't.

Why else would you send an Intrepid class ship into the hostile Badlands to track down the aggressive Maquis or deep into Romulan space without back up? They've shown us exactly what that class of ships purpose is.

Voyager was sent into the badlands because it was the only ship that could maneuver in there

"JANEWAY: I'm leaving on a mission to find a Maquis ship that disappeared in the Badlands a week ago.
PARIS: I wouldn't if I were you.
JANEWAY: Really?
PARIS: I've never seen a Federation Starship that could manoeuvre through the plasma storms.
JANEWAY: You've never seen Voyager"

and when was Voyager "deep in Romulan space without back up"???

 

[exodus]

Nope, not really. Rather, a joke is made on how the ship wasn't designed for musical performance.

We never learn on screen what the mission profile of the Voyager was (combat, exploration and couriering are all witnessed on screen, whereas planetary survey, the mission profile of the Equinox, is treated as different from the mission profile of the hero ship). We never learn what her official designation might be (light cruiser, heavy scout, pink corsair and fast penetration yacht are all equally possible). We never learn what the aims and goals of her designers were, or which of her varying attributes such as speed, agility or landing capability are primary criteria and which are compromise-ridden afterthoughts.

I could have sworn we learned all this during first season and recapped again in "Relitivity".

Voyager is a scout ship that is also designed for combat, considering it's designed for deep space exploration and to go where much larger ships can't. It's a ship that's meant to be self sustaining with the structural design to take a beating if under fire as well as being fast to exit a situations it can't.

Why else would you send an Intrepid class ship into the hostile Badlands to track down the aggressive Maquis or deep into Romulan space without back up? They've shown us exactly what that class of ships purpose is.

Voyager was sent into the badlands because it was the only ship that could maneuver in there

"JANEWAY: I'm leaving on a mission to find a Maquis ship that disappeared in the Badlands a week ago.
PARIS: I wouldn't if I were you.
JANEWAY: Really?
PARIS: I've never seen a Federation Starship that could manoeuvre through the plasma storms.
JANEWAY: You've never seen Voyager"

and when was Voyager "deep in Romulan space without back up"???

DS9.

Section 8 sent Bashir in one to spy on the Romulans, remember?

Right, Voyager can maneuver in the Badlands but do you think the Maquis were going to let them take Chakotay without a fight? Voyager had to be able to maneuver the Badlands and fight it's way out after rescuing Tuvok & bring in Chakotay. IOW, Voyager is made too fight & run. That's why it's equipped with Bio-Neural gel packs, so the ship reacts faster.

 

[Mrs Paris]

I could have sworn we learned all this during first season and recapped again in "Relitivity".

Voyager is a scout ship that is also designed for combat, considering it's designed for deep space exploration and to go where much larger ships can't. It's a ship that's meant to be self sustaining with the structural design to take a beating if under fire as well as being fast to exit a situations it can't.

Why else would you send an Intrepid class ship into the hostile Badlands to track down the aggressive Maquis or deep into Romulan space without back up? They've shown us exactly what that class of ships purpose is.

Voyager was sent into the badlands because it was the only ship that could maneuver in there

"JANEWAY: I'm leaving on a mission to find a Maquis ship that disappeared in the Badlands a week ago.
PARIS: I wouldn't if I were you.
JANEWAY: Really?
PARIS: I've never seen a Federation Starship that could manoeuvre through the plasma storms.
JANEWAY: You've never seen Voyager"

and when was Voyager "deep in Romulan space without back up"???

DS9.

Section 8 sent Bashir in one to spy on the Romulans, remember?

Right, Voyager can maneuver in the Badlands but do you think the Maquis were going to let them take Chakotay without a fight? Voyager had to be able to maneuver the Badlands and fight it's way out after rescuing Tuvok & bring in Chakotay.

I didn't see all of DS9 yet. I'm guessing it was the INTREPID and not Voyager that was in DS9. I think Voyager was also the first ship to use the gelpacks since they made such a fuss about them. The Intrepid probably didn't have them

 

[exodus]

Voyager was sent into the badlands because it was the only ship that could maneuver in there

"JANEWAY: I'm leaving on a mission to find a Maquis ship that disappeared in the Badlands a week ago.
PARIS: I wouldn't if I were you.
JANEWAY: Really?
PARIS: I've never seen a Federation Starship that could manoeuvre through the plasma storms.
JANEWAY: You've never seen Voyager"

and when was Voyager "deep in Romulan space without back up"???

DS9.

Section 8 sent Bashir in one to spy on the Romulans, remember?

Right, Voyager can maneuver in the Badlands but do you think the Maquis were going to let them take Chakotay without a fight? Voyager had to be able to maneuver the Badlands and fight it's way out after rescuing Tuvok & bring in Chakotay.

I didn't see all of DS9 yet. I'm guessing it was the INTREPID and not Voyager that was in DS9. I think Voyager was also the first ship to use the gelpacks since they made such a fuss about them. The Intrepid probably didn't have them

Intrepid class yes, not Voyager itself.

Funny you mentioned the gelpacks, I just added that comment to my previous reply to you.(go back & check it out.) I would think the gelpacks are standard in all Intrepid class.

Remember after WORF359 , Starfleet fears the Borg. They have to makes ships that still allow exploration with can hold up to a Borg attack. The Defiant & Voyager are the first in a whole new line of ship design. The Dominion war caused Starfleet to create the Promethus, which also gives us tactical advantage over the Borg as well.

 

[Stag]

^In the DS9 ep you are mentioning it was the USS Belerophon, Intrepid class.

Oh and it is Section 31 not Section 8. Section 8 is a military discharge for insanity or something like that. All i know is Klinger wanted one on MASH really badly.

 

[exodus]

^In the DS9 ep you are mentioning it was the USS Belerophon, Intrepid class.

Oh and it is Section 31 not Section 8. Section 8 is a military discharge for insanity or something like that. All i know is Klinger wanted one on MASH really badly.

Section 8.

Sorry about that, yes I meant Section 31.

Section 8 is also a division of WELFARE.
I guess I had Bone Thugs n Harmony's "First of the Month" on my mind.

Thanks again for the correction. <-Chell

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Why does everyone assume that the aeroshuttle wasn't there? True, we never *saw* it in use, but it doesn't mean that they didn't have one.

 

[Crewman47]

Why does everyone assume that the aeroshuttle wasn't there? True, we never *saw* it in use, but it doesn't mean that they didn't have one.

I agree with what you say that the Shuttle must've been there but as others have said if it was there why didn't they use it instead of going to the trouble of building the Delta Flyer, I'm pretty sure the Aero Shuttle was just as versatile and aerodynamic (I know that doesn't matter in space) as the Flyer and I'm sure it could also have been configured for the Water planet as well in that one epsidoe.

 

[Triskelion]

Well if it were there, in seven years wouldn't someone have at least mentioned it?
Particularly in the epi when they built the Flyer, desperate to outrace a Malon salvage operation for their probe by any means at their disposal? Modifying the aeroshuttle would have saved them a lot of trouble.

Still, I don't know why they would bother keeping the cutaway in the design if they didn't intend to feature it at all or explain what/who/wherefore.

Worf359, Section 8, what show were you people watching? Cause it sounds more interesting!

 

[JoeZhang]

^In the DS9 ep you are mentioning it was the USS Belerophon, Intrepid class.

And it's sent in openly to a medical conference isn't it? not to engage in combat?

 

[toughlittleship]

The USS Bellerophon (NCC-74705) was seen in Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges, one of the episodes before DS9's Final Chapter arc in S7. Its the only other Intrepid class ship seen apart from Voyager itself.

 

[Akiraprise]

Well if it were there, in seven years wouldn't someone have at least mentioned it?
Particularly in the epi when they built the Flyer, desperate to outrace a Malon salvage operation for their probe by any means at their disposal? Modifying the aeroshuttle would have saved them a lot of trouble.

It would have made more sense to use the aero shuttle. I would have liked to see it actually.

The only problem I could see is that they beat the crap out of the Delta Flyer on a pretty regular basis. Even going so far as to destroy it at one point. That would have left a huge hole in the bottom of Voyager. So with all of the stock effects fly by shots they used TPTB would have had to create a new model. It probably comes down to money, like everything.

 

[Mrs Paris]

Well if it were there, in seven years wouldn't someone have at least mentioned it?
Particularly in the epi when they built the Flyer, desperate to outrace a Malon salvage operation for their probe by any means at their disposal? Modifying the aeroshuttle would have saved them a lot of trouble.

It would have made more sense to use the aero shuttle. I would have liked to see it actually.

The only problem I could see is that they beat the crap out of the Delta Flyer on a pretty regular basis. Even going so far as to destroy it at one point. That would have left a huge hole in the bottom of Voyager. So with all of the stock effects fly by shots they used TPTB would have had to create a new model. It probably comes down to money, like everything.

I think they might have planned to use it at one point since there are such detailed renderings of it floating around

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Well if it were there, in seven years wouldn't someone have at least mentioned it?
Particularly in the epi when they built the Flyer, desperate to outrace a Malon salvage operation for their probe by any means at their disposal? Modifying the aeroshuttle would have saved them a lot of trouble.

Depends. Maybe the aeroshuttle was just not built for that sort of thing, and would require so many modifications that it'd just be easier to build a new shuttle from scratch.

 

[exodus]

Well if it were there, in seven years wouldn't someone have at least mentioned it?
Particularly in the epi when they built the Flyer, desperate to outrace a Malon salvage operation for their probe by any means at their disposal? Modifying the aeroshuttle would have saved them a lot of trouble.

Depends. Maybe the aeroshuttle was just not built for that sort of thing, and would require so many modifications that it'd just be easier to build a new shuttle from scratch.

Exactly.

 

[captainkirk]

Everyone is ignoring the official explanation, the producers didn't want to spoil the coolness of it when the Captain's yacht on the 1701-E was launched. Although that doesn't explain why they didn't use it later on.

 

[Starship Freak]

Rob Bonchune has a cgi video of the aerowing launching on his site, so they were prepared to do this on the show but never did. Too bad...The aerowing is one of my favourite ships.
Oh, and don´t forget, the Galaxy-class and Sovereign-class captain´s yachts, the Intrepid-class aerowing, the Nova-class waverider, the D'kora class auxiliary vessel and the Neghvar auxiliary vessel, we've seen many vessels attached to starships, but to my knowledge, only the Sovereign-class captain´s yacht was seen onscreen launching