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Voyager Wasted a Plot...

In the first episode Voyager was brought 70,000 light years away into the Delta Quadrant. The trip home was supposed to take 70 years (travelling on average 1,000 light years pear year). Of course we all know that because of various anomalies and events Voyager was able to make a good portion of that trip a lot quicker. But, if as you stated above, Voyager was 30,000 lightyears from Earth when contact was made with Admiral Hayes then Voyager should have had at least 30 years left in her trip. Unless the star charts were updated and helpful anomalies were discovered (or technology was vastly improved), then there is no way that Admiral Hayes could have known and/or stated that Starfleets ships could get to Voyager in 5 or 6 years. The math doesn't add up.
 
I think we have to assume that in the 7 years Voyager's been away there's been a lot of advancement in Warp technology (The Prometheus was rated for 9.99) and if they dispatched two Prometheus class ships: the way I had it explained to me was with a ship with 4 nacelles, they can cruise at much higher speeds, because they only use one pair of nacelles at a time and when one starts to overhear the other pair takes over...If they can go twice as fast as Voyager they can cover about 2000-2500 lightyears in a year...so it would only take them 12-15 years to intercept Voyager if she sat still, if Voyager was flying towards them then that cuts down time and if they were dispatched from the far end of the Federation that cuts down time...

5-6 years was optimistic, but certainly inside a decade is feasible.
 
^ So why wouldn't they share those specs with Voyager? I'm not saying that it would be an easy feat, but I am sure that Janeway would have done whatever she could to overhaul the ship so that it could make it to the Alpha Quadrant as fast as possible...
 
Because Voyager doesn't have the right nacelles, or warp core or could even be the wrong shape?

There could be limitations with Voyager itself?
 
In the first episode Voyager was brought 70,000 light years away into the Delta Quadrant. The trip home was supposed to take 70 years (travelling on average 1,000 light years pear year). Of course we all know that because of various anomalies and events Voyager was able to make a good portion of that trip a lot quicker.

The dangling plot thread I always thought they should have picked up was from The Next Generation episode, "The Nth Degree". Especially once Reg Barkley was in contact with Voyager, he should have remembered to recommend that Voyager steer for the center of the galaxy to make contact with the Cytherians. The Federation was on good terms with them after the Enterprise's visit, so the Cytherians could have gotten Voyager home from their space in minutes. That would have cut 20-30 years off their trip...
 
The Chakotay/Seska baby was a HUGE plot thread that I'm amazed they never followed up on. I just can't believe Chak would let his baby go like that.

The return of Suspiria (the female caretaker) was also a pretty big dangling plot thread.

Dragon's Teeth, as mentioned- it was pretty odd when the whole point of that episode was unintended consequences and... there weren't any!
 
The Chakotay/Seska baby was a HUGE plot thread that I'm amazed they never followed up on. I just can't believe Chak would let his baby go like that.

It wasn't his baby, it was half Kazon.

And I still hold out hope that we will see that half son of Cardassia again some day, in Treklit.
 
I wrote half a fanfiction (I never finish.) once where Seska's dad says "YOU LEFT A CHILD OF CARDASSIA BEHIND!?!" At least twelve times in the first 4 pages. "They" put together a rescue mission to head back into kazon Space to find the kid.

Some of you might remember a similar thread.

Who gets to be in charge when the other two ships show up?

From Life Line.
ADMIRAL HAYES [on monitor]: Hello, Captain. I hope this message finds you well. From what I understand, it has not been easy, but I want you to know that a lot of people here are very proud of what you've accomplished. I also want to assure you that we have not given up finding a way to get you home. We've redirected two deep space vessels toward your position. If all goes well, they could rendezvous with you in the next five to six years.
The Federation has an expansionist timetable whereupon they colonize the galaxy within "X" number of years/generations/centuries. Those ships probably left 30 or 40 years ago, actually the longer ago they left the slower they could impel towards Voyager to rendezvous.
 
Regardin' the two deep space starships sent to rendevous with Voyager...

...did the admiral specify they were dispatched from Earth? It's possible that Starfleet Command contacted two ships that were already on deep space missions, and ordered 'em to head towards the projected course Voyager was on.
 
Anyway.. I have lent my Trek books out to a lot of people and they usually borrow stand alone books or the first couple books in a relaunch, Avatar or Homecoming etc...It all takes rather a lot of time and investment to follow Star Trek lit nowadays.
Totally agree, loved the DS9 relaunch, as it just dealt with DS9 and the mix of old and new characters (the Voyager continuation was very limp, regretted buying those two).

Now all the books seem to be so interconnected that I have no clue what's going on, and I'm not about to fork out the money to buy every Trek book on the go right now. It's a bit of a con if you ask me.

When are they going to get back to doing stand alone books, or ones that just focus on the one series?

Anyways, there are some tremendous plot holes in Voyager and a lot of wasted opportunities. I think most of the biggies have already been mentioned already. I always thought that a lone starship, lost in a distant part of the galaxy should have had more issues with supplies and provisions, and more should have been done to show that the journey how more of a struggle on the crew (how come no one gets depressed about never seeing their loved ones again?).

One big plot hole was Seska. Ok, she was revealed to be a Cardassian, giving Starfleet tech to the Kazon. But why did she leave the ship? It's not like the Kazon are going to take her home, or that she could build a stable powerbase for herself or the Cardassian Union in the Delta Quadrant. So why'd she stay? She could have been used so much better if she stayed on Voyager as an adversary to Janeway and the Maquis first hand. She could have been the ship's cold hearted super bitch.
 
In Lifelines, there was a throwaway line by Admiral Hayes (who looked surprisingly vibrant for a dead guy - and come on, why Admiral Hayes? I'm pretty sure that Admiral Paris has taken Voyager under his jurisdiction by now, what with him assuming command of Pathfinder)
I remember that bugged me too. FC implies pretty heavily that the dude is dead, if you ask me. :lol:
that was "We have dispatched 2 Deep Space Vessels to rendezvous with you, with any luck they should meet you in the next 5-6 years...

And that was it, no one ever mentions it again, for example in Author Author when they establish contact with Earth, would it have been too out of the way for Janeway to contact those ships and...oh i don't know...thank them for their commitment to Voyager that they're willing to put their lives on hold for 3 decades to come and rescue the ship...

I know it was a throwaway line, but it seems so stupid that the writers were introducing this premise, only to discard it...
You know, I'd forgotten all about it until reading this thread. I haven't seen "Life Lines" in ages, which is no doubt why, but it really is a shame that it was just dropped like that.
Its lines like that that leave openings for the novels!

:bolian:
No way. The editors and writers are too busy trying to wedge all three concurrent series into one big story. *yawn*
While it has worked well for those avidly reading the books (Destiny was excellent IMHO) I know at least 3 Trek fans who haven't read any of the new stuff and won't read it because they feel they are just too far behind. It's clearly jumping into the middle of a very long convoluted tale and some people aren't interested in doing that. I lent one of them the first Destiny book because I think the story of Erika Hernandez is fantastic and you don't need much if any context for it. She did enjoy it but she also called me from the train to yell "What is this crap, Janeway is DEAD???" and also called me a few other times about what the Titan and Picard things.. and was pretty much lost for a lot of it.

I'm wondering how much it might effect sales as far as getting new readers when a person picks up a book and sees it is part of a long story line. Another problem we have in this country is that most of the books are unavailable after they've been out for a while so to track down the whole series you have to go to ebay. It all takes rather a lot of time and investment to follow Star Trek lit nowadays.
The availability issue is one I can't disagree with (I've encountered the same problem at times). But... lost? Everyone is different, I guess. Before reading anything else - and having not read a Trek book in AGES at the time - I read Before Dishonor and then Greater Than the Sum. Didn't feel the least bit lost. A friend of mine read only the latter, then went on to read Destiny, as well as Losing the Peace. He hasn't read ANY other Trek books, period, and is fine.

Like I said, I guess everyone is different, but... it's a bit baffling to me, honestly. While reading these books, I have encountered only a VERY small number of gaps caused by not having read certain other books first that troubled me, and they were all filled in with a grand total of about thirty minutes on Memory Beta.
The dangling plot thread I always thought they should have picked up was from The Next Generation episode, "The Nth Degree". Especially once Reg Barkley was in contact with Voyager, he should have remembered to recommend that Voyager steer for the center of the galaxy to make contact with the Cytherians. The Federation was on good terms with them after the Enterprise's visit, so the Cytherians could have gotten Voyager home from their space in minutes. That would have cut 20-30 years off their trip...
At least! That's actually a really cool idea. Though I suppose it would be hard to do anything with it that wouldn't just get the ship home TOO fast, destroying the premise of the show, but making contact with them impossible for whatever reason until very late in the series could dodge that problem.
I think we have to assume that in the 7 years Voyager's been away there's been a lot of advancement in Warp technology (The Prometheus was rated for 9.99) and if they dispatched two Prometheus class ships: the way I had it explained to me was with a ship with 4 nacelles, they can cruise at much higher speeds, because they only use one pair of nacelles at a time and when one starts to overhear the other pair takes over...
Thing is, though, 9.99 was the rated maximum. Even with 4 nacelles, I don't think a ship can just pick a direction, crank the warp drive to max, and then never slow down. Still, under a decade might be reasonable if the ship can maintain even 9.9 for long enough at a time, give how much distance toward home Voyager had already covered by the time Hayes informs them of the two ships.

Also, they may not be Prometheus-class; Starfleet has been shown to be absurdly proficient at upgrading existing classes with new technologies, so it's possible that by s6, that swanky new warp drive had been outfitted on a couple other compatible classes. I prefer this option, since it removes the (incredibly stupid) Prometheus itself from the equation. :lol:
The Chakotay/Seska baby was a HUGE plot thread that I'm amazed they never followed up on. I just can't believe Chak would let his baby go like that.
teacake pointed out that it actually wasn't his anyway, but even if it had been... every now and then, there's a plot thread that I am glad was left dangling. If they had brought the baby back into the show, we would likely have had another Kazon episode after "Basics" to go with it! :crazy: Not worth it.
The return of Suspiria (the female caretaker) was also a pretty big dangling plot thread.
I consider this one of the biggest, most "how could you miss that?!" dropped balls EVER in Trek, simply because of the potential for using her in the series finale, instead of the damn Borg. It would have brought Voyager full circle (the concept, not the book :D) by returning the series to its roots for the finale, the same way that TNG and DS9 did. Granted, we will never know what could have been, but my suspicion is that such a story would be at least a bit better, possibly WORLDS better, than the disaster that is "Endgame."
Dragon's Teeth, as mentioned- it was pretty odd when the whole point of that episode was unintended consequences and... there weren't any!
Yeah, this is another big dropped ball. I was looking forward to seeing more of these guys, but alas...
 
Well I wish it had been Chak's baby. Then, noble dude that he is, he would have left Voyager and gone off in search of it. Janeway would no doubt have lent a hand but only for so long. Even better if Seska was alive because whatcha gonna do, have a custody battle?

Bry Sinclair I also want to know what Seska was out to gain in leaving the ship. Sure she could have power over there being smarter and more tech savvy (perhaps) than the Kazon. But is that what really drove her to live as a Bajoran all those years? Surely she had some plan to get her back to Cardassia faster via the Kazon. Then again who knows, maybe she was used by the Obsidian Order or something to infiltrate the Maquis and was utterly disenchanted with those that put her in that position for years. Perhaps she feared for her life once she returned to Cardassia and thought the best she could hope for was to continue to be a weapon at the hands of unseen powers. Maybe this was her bid at getting a bit of power of her own.

I think she's a great character.
 
I think she's a great character.
She really was, and Martha Hackett did an excellent job of bringing her to life. In the Voyager ReBoot I thought up (and wrote the new script for "Caretaker"), I thought that I would keep Seska onboard, even after she was revealed to be a Cardassian. Could have led to loads of great scenes between her and the former Maquis, epecially Ro.

But all that was just in my head.

Bry
 
She was only a Bajoran for one year though, wasn't she? The Maquis had only been around for a short time when VOY started.

They should have used a better defined group for the second crew on VOY, like Romulans.
 
They also wasted the Borg Baby plot.


It would have been interesting to see like Janeway adopt her.

Ugh. I hated the Borg Children subplot. Although I'm a big fan of recurring extras like Ensign Ro, K'Ehlyr and such I have to say that the Borg children make me vomit. Or maybe it's just the fact that I hate child actors in general...

Either way I think a plot that arched over the entire series (like the war in DS9) would have been enjoyable for me to watch.
 
But how would they have done that, with VOY's premise? You want a series-long plot you need to be stationary (DS9) or traveling within the same region of space for the entire series (Farscape). If they tried that with VOY, it would just be rejected since they wouldn't be constantly on the move anymore, which was the PREMISE of the show.

And there's nothing wrong with Borg babies, there were Borg babies in the FIRST Borg episode!
 
^

There was A baby in a drawer that was onscreen for a few seconds!

They didn't try to make that baby a characterand give it recurrin' guest star status...

:borg:
 
Why even bother with a second crew? Why not just have the obviously older Cavit survive and lead a faction of the crew that attempts to subvert Janeway's authority
 
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