Voyager season 4

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  1. Thomas Eugene

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    Well yes ... he mentioned these eps together with PARALLAX ... and then just like Kate Mulgrew, at certain conventions he didn't even remember the name of the episodes (What's with these actors? :eek:)

    Anyway, our beloved Janeway liked DEATHWISH, DEADLOCK, COUNTERPOINT and generally the ones that did not focus on one character but on the whole ensemble. Chakotay's fav eps are listed above. Tommyboy's fav ep was SACRED GROUND, which was his first direction as well. Incidentally, together with Seven, his fav villains were the Borg. Harry Kim liked CARETAKER and TIMELESS, Tuvok loved MELD and RIDDLES and he was also quite fond of GRAVITY. Who else's fav episodes do we have information about? I know that our fav Doctor often mentions MESSAGE IN A BOTTLE but usually only because of the sex reference and I've never heard him explicitly say that it was his fav episode. Does anyone know which ones(s) he liked? What about B'Elanna, Neelix, Seven and Kes? What episodes did they like, does anyone know?
     
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  2. cosmic mouse

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    Living Witness was a pretty good ep... I think it may stick out in my memory a little because of the subject matter and it had that different vantage point, being set in the future. Makes me wonder what Attila the Hun would have to say. I thought Tim Russ did a good job with the direction. This is the only ep he directed, isn't it?
     
  3. Paul Weaver

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    Not sure if cosmic mouse has got that far, so

    Living witness wasn't a real episode. It portrays a society that for 700 years had never encountered the federation. How is that possible unless the federation goes into a major stall in it's exploration. It's set in the 31st century. Q had suggested (in death wish) that Humans would be reaching the delta quadrant en-mass by the end of the 25th century, and what we've seen of the future beyond that seems to imply the federation would still be a large powerful entity in the future. Given this was a planet that Voyager left technology behind on, you'd think that the federation would follow it up.

    Additionally the whole concept of a backup doctor contradicts a lot about the Doctor's story too.

    As such I think the entire thing is a faulty subroutine in the doctor's program.
     
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  4. cosmic mouse

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    Does what's under the spoiler have to do with Living Witness or a future episode?
     
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    You better not read what's under that button!!
     
  6. cosmic mouse

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    I"m starting to feel like there are multiple things I shouldn't be reading on this board...
     
  7. Paul Weaver

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    No, just upto living witness. Whether you should read my whitterings is another matter :)
     
  8. cosmic mouse

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    No, it's good, Paul, thanks. I just didn't want to spoil anything upcoming if I could avoid it
     
  9. cosmic mouse

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    I finished season 4... liked One a lot. :techman: Hope and Fear was good, Demon was okay...
    I may or may not post a season 5 thread in a few days, but I'll definitely still be watching VOY either way...
     
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  10. Paul Weaver

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    Do you get this feeling the pitch for the killing game was "a fight between Klingons and Nazis, with Neelix in charge"?
     
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  11. Paul Weaver

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    I may have seen unforgettable before, I don't recall it.....

    I liked Janeway's chalange if he consensus in the first staff meeting - everyone agrees she's terrible, so Janeway asks why.

    After that the episode gets less and less rememberable. The one thing that sticks out is the scenes with Seven and GenericGuestStar, and if made me realise how few scenes in Trek involve strong women (the Janeway/Torres/Seven triad being the major exception), and how far TV has progressed in the last couple of decades.

    I'm unimpressed with Chakotay's blasé response to "I've planted a computer virus" - how could he let them go? Also disapointong that star fleet no longer has the ability to print out things (it did in Encojmtrt At Farpoint, and accepting the inability of a starfleet computer to replicate paper with text on seems stretching reality somewhat)
     
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  12. Paul Weaver

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    I really like Living Witness. The general concept of accepted history being wrong, and the acceptance (or not) of new evidence to challenge dogma.
     
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    (I'm definitely not binge watching s4 with a bottle of wine!!!!)
     
  14. Thomas Eugene

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    The end of Season 4 is great - just like the entire season, I think. HOPE AND FEAR is a big fav mine. You know from start that something can't be right - and then Janeway's intuition is correct and Seven can familiarize herself with the fact that not everything can be explained with Borg philosophy. Some things are just vaguely guessed and they still might be true!
    Also, the game of Velocity was kind of cool. I wish we'd seen that in other episodes, too. :D
     
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    I agree... that;'s what made me think of someone generally considered negative (e.g. Attila the Hun) and what he might think of our history books if he got the chance to speak out about them. The below quote from Wiki is a good example I think (even if it only references his physical appearance).
    There is no surviving first-hand account of Attila's appearance, but there is a possible second-hand source provided by Jordanes

    No, I think you'd need several bottles! :beer:
     
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    I agree... liked the velocity sequences and I liked Hope and Fear overall. It was a great season... prob my favorite so far. My top eps are (in chrono order):

    Scorpion II
    The Gift
    Hunters
    Prey
    One
    Hope & Fear

    followed by:
    The Killing Game
    Omega DIrective
    Unforgettable

    ...and I already watched the first ep for s5 which I also liked, but it was a rewatch for me. :)
     
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  17. Prax

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    If you don't post a season 5 thread, we'll probably post one for you:)
     
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    I think Hope and Fear was a good episode but I don't like it as a season finale. I have always enjoyed cliff hangers better for finales
     
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    What if you think of it this way; season 4 was kind of a big season, lots of happenings. Hope & Fear gives some consequences and closure to Seven's arc, and the decisions that Janeway made resulting in Seven being brough aboard. It ends with another big jump across space.

    Some time has passed, and now season 5 is fresh start in a new area of space, with all new adventures ahead.
     
  20. Sophie74656

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    Yeah I get that, but I've always felt that Year of Hell woudl have been a better season finale. Ending the season with an order to abandon ship would have been awesome
     
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