Voyager mess-up in "Message in a Bottle?"

[od0_ital]

^

Yeah, as evidenced by Tom Paris's flight training program for Kes.

That doesn't mean the Doctor is goin' to have that knowledge in his program.

Nor does it mean that the Maquis on Voyager are goin' to be worried about an alien government tens of thousands of light years away from the territory they were fightin' to keep.

 

[exodus]

od0_ital said:




That doesn't mean the Doctor is goin' to have that knowledge in his program.

I think I already stated that, didn't I?

 

[CommanderTrip]

Pegaritaville said:

CommanderTrip said:
wait a minute, I don't think can be a goof. Perhaps if one of the living crew members on Voyager asked "WHO?" when they heard the species "The Dominion", but the Doctor does not surprise me.
Look at it this way. The Doctor is in actuality a computer program. A fairly new computer program, which at the time, I doubt would have been programmed with recent Alpha Quadrant political news considering it was designed and is a short term supplemental program. The Emergency Medical Hologram, if not even informed of current ship affairs half the time would almost certainly have no frakking clue who the Dominion is.....
My $.02.

By my thinking, just about everybody should have been aware of the Dominion, including the EMH.

Chakotay and the other Maquis should have, since they were operating in that neck of the woods. Any Maquis unit worth its salt would've had intelligence on a consortium that could potentially change the balance of power in that region. Even if they didn't have first-hand knowlegde, they had Eddington (and other spies) to fill them in. Directly or not, the Dominion threat had the potential to greatly affect their cause: Ignoring it would've been foolish.

Janeway and the (original) Voyager crew should have also known. Do you really think Starfleet would send them into that region without making sure they were up-to-date on all information that could even possibly be relevent? Keep in mind that at the time they went looking for Chakotay's ship, they had no idea what happened.

The situation with the EMH is a little more iffy, but it wouldn't take long to udate the program with the info. I don't see why they wouldn't have downloaded info on the Dominion when the ship had its layover at DS9.

Oh, I am not saying the Voyager crew would not be familiar with the Dominion, or that the ship computer would not have perhaps some data on the Dominion and other Alpha Quadrant politics (as evidenced by the appearance of Dominion attack ships in Paris' training program) but rather that the EMH, a newly installed piece of medical technology, wouldn't be updated with such political current affairs

 

[od0_ital]

exodus said:

od0_ital said:
That doesn't mean the Doctor is goin' to have that knowledge in his program.

I think I already stated that, didn't I?

I stated it first.

http://www.trekbbs.com/threads/showflat.php?Number=8049971#Post8049971

 

[StewMc]

exodus said:

od0_ital said:

exodus said:
Wasn't the Dominion first mentioned in season 1 of DS9?

No, the Dominion was first mentioned in DS9 'Rules of Acquisition', a second season episode.

When was "Hollow Pursuit"?

The Dominion appeared in Barclay's holoprogram??

 

[exodus]

StewMc said:

exodus said:

od0_ital said:

exodus said:
Wasn't the Dominion first mentioned in season 1 of DS9?

No, the Dominion was first mentioned in DS9 'Rules of Acquisition', a second season episode.

When was "Hollow Pursuit"?

The Dominion appeared in Barclay's holoprogram??

I'm glad you understood my title was wrong.

I meant the ep. where O'Brian met Tosk.

 

[StewMc]

^
The closely titled "Captive Pursuit". Not sure if there was any mention of the Dominion there though.

 

[3D Master]

You want a screw up:

Future's End, Janeway: I have no idea what my ancestors were doing this far back in history. That girl over there, could be my great, great, great, great, great... great, great grandmother.

11:59 One of my most inspiring heroes that inspired me to go to Starfleet and direct ancestor of mine lived at the time!

 

[James Bond]

Zed.P.M. said:
Didn't Chakotay say something to B'Elanna something along the lines of "we're at war with a new species from the Gamma Quadrant"?

Perhaps I should repeat myself?

 

[CommanderTrip]

3D Master said:
You want a screw up:

Future's End, Janeway: I have no idea what my ancestors were doing this far back in history. That girl over there, could be my great, great, great, great, great... great, great grandmother.

11:59 One of my most inspiring heroes that inspired me to go to Starfleet and direct ancestor of mine lived at the time!

perhaps the events in Future's End prompted her into doing a little research into her ancestors?

 

[od0_ital]

^

Janeway's ancestor inspired her to join Starfleet, but she didn't actually research that ancestor 'til she was a captain with her second command.

Or first command, dependin' on which episode ya go by...

 

[CommanderTrip]

od0_ital said:
^

Janeway's ancestor inspired her to join Starfleet, but she didn't actually research that ancestor 'til she was a captain with her second command.

Or first command, dependin' on which episode ya go by...

Ahhh, sorry. haha, I didn't pay attention to the part of her ancestor inspiring her. Yeah, that's a big goof up then.

 

[Timo]

Well, we could say Janeway was speaking specifically about her Californian relatives there.

By the time of "Future's End", Janeway has already been established as knowledgeable in the 20th century Earth, in "The 37s". Yet Janeway knows her history through figures she idolizes: she knows her way around the 1930s-40s Pacific through Earhart, is at home in renaissance Italy through Leonardo, and is aware of early Martian colonization through Shannon O'Donnell. Those are narrow-scope views, and she might well acknowledge as much.

And she does speak of California specifically in the paragraphs surrounding her confession of ignorance about ancestors...

(So yeah, a writer goof, but an easily retconnable one.)

Timo Saloniemi

 

[exodus]

^^Or she what she meant, she knew what her one ancestor was during at the turn of the Millennium but not before and nothing much else.

Most families may know certain events their ansectors where involved in(say for example: the Civil Rights movement or WWII) but they don't know their lifes history.