Voyager is the worst series.....Baloney!

[Bry_Sinclair]

Voyager isn't the worst series but I do find it very disappointing. I was thrilled with the fact we were getting a female Captain and the premise of the series, but it kept missing its mark. There was never much feeling of suspense to the show, never much of a struggle to survive. The ship was always impeccable and the crew were never seen to be suffering from low morale due to being so isolated and alone, facing the very real prospect of never getting home. It was all just too cushy for them. A lot of those problems stem from studio interference, for example of any Trek Voyager was the one that should've been serialised, the episodic format killed any sense of tension.

 

[Jayson1]

Actually this is the second time I've said something like this.
ETA: My point is ALL the shows have good and bad points. I like watching them all equally for different reasons. Sometimes you want to see stuff build up over six seasons, sometimes you want a good one and done. Sometimes you want a good philosophical story from TNG or a weird sci-fi thing from Voyager and a good action story from Enterprise. I'm just sick of fans accentuating the positives of one series and the negatives from another series, without also seeing they both have good and bad points.

Voyager does have positives but do they outweigh the negative's? Isn't that basically how to define whether or not a show is a good show? Also you right in that it matters as to what your trying to get out of show. When I watch a CW superhero show I am not expecting "Soprano's" style edgy drama. Still I got to admit that "Soprano's" is the better show because it has better actors, writing and takes more chances. Something can be better but at the same time not as much fun as something that appeals to stuff we are more intrested in overall. That is why I like "TOS" better than the "Soprano's" even though I can admit that the latter show is proably better in a lot of categories.

Jason

 

[MacLeod]

I think there was a definite trend toward action over creativity in VOY. Even more so in ENT. Unlike ENT though, VOY still had some creative juice and created some clever sci-fi stories like Blink of an Eye, and some meta stuff like Muse.

Not saying "Blink of an Eye" wasn't a good episode but I seem to recall a similar plot being used in TOS's "Wink of an Eye".


And yes most episodes of all TV shows/films are variations on a theme.

 

[Refuge]

Trek fans seem rather nasty to those who don't abide by the current consensus-DS9 was amaazing and Voyager sucked.

I for one don't abide by that consensus.

Really? Do people actually rate DS9 as good? They were stuck on a station, how boring is that?

Voyager was way better!

 

[marlboro]

Not saying "Blink of an Eye" wasn't a good episode but I seem to recall a similar plot being used in TOS's "Wink of an Eye".

Nah, other than their titles, those episodes have nothing in common,

 

[Prax]

What has the gender of the cast got to do with anything, as a male I've watched shows with a female lead and so long as it's well written.. It doesn't bother me. Good acting on top of writing also helps

As for polls, go to a different site and poll the same number of people and you'll get a different result. So a site such as StarTrek.com might tend to favour a TNG/VOY crowd whilst a site such as trekbbs might favour a DSN crowd

On this site, apparently not, just looking at the numbers, they stack up similarly to the poll.

Voyager fans may wonder about "Cultural Sexism" or whatever OP said because Janeway seems to be an excessively hated on captain by Trek fans. She's constantly accused of being erratic and "bipolar" when those supposed characteristics can be found in equal(if not higher) abundance in other captains like Sisko for instance.

Voyager does have positives but do they outweigh the negative's? Isn't that basically how to define whether or not a show is a good show

There is no such defining. It's impossibly subjective. I could spend an hour arguing why the color blue, and all it's attributes suck. Why it's negatives outweigh it's positives, and why red is a much, much better color. You could then attempt to argue why I'm wrong.

To argue whether a TV show like Voyager(with 170 some episodes) is "Good" or "bad" would be a much harder, much more fruitless task. You would have establish a list of characteristics and define their positives and negatives, then gain the consensus of the members here(which Will Not happen). From there you would have to establish a baseline comparison with the rest of Trek, and argue on the basis of each episode, category(yup, you'll need those too) writers, directors, actors, etc. Even all this would still be subjective, but you might make some good points along the way.

Good Luck!

 

[Tracy Trek]

I'm just sick of fans accentuating the positives of one series and the negatives from another series, without also seeing they both have good and bad points.

My sentiments exactly. If someone asks you which ones are good and which are bad, tell them to watch for themselves and decide for themselves.

You can tell them why you don't like it, but don't be one of those people who just say off the cuff, "Oh that one sucks, it's not worth watching". And yes I have seen things on-line saying that about Voyager and Enterprise.

Voyager and Enterprise seem to get hated on like the Star Wars prequels.

 

[MacLeod]

Nah, other than their titles, those episodes have nothing in common,

Except of course a civilisation that runs at a different speed to the rest of the universe.

 

[Prax]

Except of course a civilisation that runs at a different speed to the rest of the universe.

Is this bad? I think the comparison also got shot down in the "retread" thread. The thread that shows the dozens of complete rehashes that all of the series made.

 

[Jayson1]

My sentiments exactly. If someone asks you which ones are good and which are bad, tell them to watch for themselves and decide for themselves.

You can tell them why you don't like it, but don't be one of those people who just say off the cuff, "Oh that one sucks, it's not worth watching". And yes I have seen things on-line saying that about Voyager and Enterprise.

Voyager and Enterprise seem to get hated on like the Star Wars prequels.

Everyone does decide for themselves. I think you overstate the power of internet debate. People want to share their opinions and talk with people who have similiar opinions or people with oposite opinions. It's supose to be fun to get into arguments over this stuff or bond over similiar views. I'm not sure why people get angry just because someone says their favorite show sucks. I mean it's okay to poke fun at their bad taste or whatever but in end we not solving world problems. We are talking tv shows and hobbies. Also if someone complains about something it is usually because on some level they care about and feel cheated that it didn't perform for them like they want. Think about it. When is the last time anyone got all outraged over "Jake and the Fatman" or "Silver Spoons." I would be almost bet never because most people here proably never cared about those shows enough to get upset that they were bad in their opinion.

Jason

 

[Refuge]

I think people who don't like Voyager are just jealous the shows they do like are not as good. They fabricate flimsy nonsense to try and convince those who do like it not to like it.

Like that is ever going to work, lol.

 

[MacLeod]

I think people who don't like Voyager are just jealous the shows they do like are not as good. They fabricate flimsy nonsense to try and convince those who do like it not to like it.

Like that is ever going to work, lol.

We all have different tastes when it comes to what we like. For those that love VOY great, but for those who have issues with VOY by and large the impression I get is disappointment with it not out right hatred

Most if not all forms of entertainment have flaws, and each of us is willing to overlook some of them. But generally speaking the more you are engaged with the show be it writing, characters etc.. the more we are willing to over look flaws.

 

[IronMaiden]

I don't see what is wrong with Voyager, it might of been because it was my first star trek series maybe but then again i don't hate enterprise too.

I've watched VOY first, thank you star trek Voyager elite force

And i liked all of the star trek series i watched, just not got around to TOS yet.

I just enjoy voyager and still find it a fun series to watch, and everytime i see people hate on VOY and ENT it just pisses me off so much.

 

[Prax]

I wish I would've played that game when it was around. I've heard it's one of the greatest Trek games ever, but I got rid of my ps2 years ago.

 

[MacLeod]

I don't see what is wrong with Voyager, it might of been because it was my first star trek series maybe but then again i don't hate enterprise too.

I've watched VOY first, thank you star trek Voyager elite force

And i liked all of the star trek series i watched, just not got around to TOS yet.

I just enjoy voyager and still find it a fun series to watch, and everytime i see people hate on VOY and ENT it just pisses me off so much.

It being your first does work in your favour say compared to if it was your fourth as you might have seen several of the stories done several times in previous ST shows.

 

[Akiraprise]

There are, of course, options between "amazing" and "sucked," even though the internet often seems to forget that.

This can't possibly be true!

I've found over the years that VOY often comes in 2nd behind TNG in many polls relating to the "best" modern Trek series in many online and print publications I've read. This bothers people on this board who generally lean towards DS9 being the best. It's not as universally despised as so many posters on this board like to imply. I think one of the reasons why is because of it's format. TNG and VOY didn't require an investment in some story arc spanning many seasons. You could pick up just about anywhere in any season and enjoy a self contained story. Plus the addition of Seven in season 4 didn't hurt either. Like or hate the character there is no disputing that she got more of the general tv watching audiences attention. Show people a picture of Seven and they'll likely be able to tell you she was on Trek in some form. Try that with Kira or Jadzia out of uniform.

The acting on VOY was never that bad either. Certainly no worse than any of the other series from time to time.

VOY is my favorite Trek. It's the Trek I grew up with in high school and the cast and the stories resonated with me. This doesn't mean I think it's the best written series but merely the one I prefer when I watch reruns. It's like my comfort Trek.

 

[JeffinOakland]

I like them all but Voyager is the least interesting to me. To me, its just Gilligan's Island in Space that becomes (after Kes leaves and 7of9 joins) TNG2. Even the animated series is more interesting.

1. DS9 2. TOS 3. TNG 4. ENT 5. TAS 6. VOY

 

[at Quark's]

It being your first does work in your favour say compared to if it was your fourth as you might have seen several of the stories done several times in previous ST shows.

I was a child+ teenager when TNG+ DS9 came out, so I saw these shows first. I was introduced to most standard trek tropes by TNG.

Sometimes I hear people raving about TOS, and then when I go look that episode, I think: hmmm. I like the way it is done in TNG (for example) better. Unless of course the TOS depiction really is superior - happens sometimes. But on the whole, I fail to see what is so superior about tos, save for the knowledge that it was the very first and that doing something for the first time is usually very much harder than repeating it.

Guess it works the other way, too. A lot of stuff on VOY I wasn't that taken wirth, because I had already seen different incarnations and permutations of these tropes in TNG and DS9. But, if VOY would have been my first series, and I would have seen TNG later on, the tables could (probably would) have been reversed.

And frankly, it seems at the moment that VOY is aging better than TNG, especially early TNG.

 

[Sybok Was Wrong]

VOYAGER is like the STAR WARS prequels.

Those who don't like it, have to make a lot of noise with definitive judgement.

A lot of put-down of VOYAGER is usually with the ajenda of pumping up DEEP SPACE NINE.

The criticisms of VOYAGER, and opinionated people's ideas of how it could have been better......are awful in my opinion.

Seeing the Voyager beat-up and battle damaged? Seeing the Starfleet & Maqui people have more friction?? Seeing everyone feeling more dispair at their plight??

How depressing! Really?! That's what you wanted? Please! That's for the geekiest of geeks. For most, who just want an hour of escapism without having to invest in too much sci-fi b.s., VOYAGER delivered.

VOYAGER was an antidote to DEEP SPACE NINE. Ratings don't lie-- DS9 wasn't cutting it. DS9 lost a good chunk of the TNG audience. Time has proven DS9 hasn't ever earned a wider audience, or is fondly remembered beyond its small hardcore audience. So, continuing that "darker" Trek was NOT the way to go.

To use the STAR WARS analogy again-- VOYAGER was like THE FORCE AWAKENS. It had to bring viewers back. It had to harken back to a more palatable version of Trek.

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Now, if I had to criticize anything about VOYAGER....it would be that it lacked spark and energy. That's because of the theory of "Franchise Fatigue" that was real. I don't think a female captain factored into the ratings, or criticism.

VOYAGER was just a TV show. But it was a well written, well cast, well produced series, and to pretend anything different is silly.

 

[at Quark's]

VOYAGER was an antidote to DEEP SPACE NINE. Ratings don't lie-- DS9 wasn't cutting it. DS9 lost a good chunk of the TNG audience. Time has proven DS9 hasn't ever earned a wider audience, or is fondly remembered beyond its small hardcore audience. So, continuing that "darker" Trek was NOT the way to go.

To use the STAR WARS analogy again-- VOYAGER was like THE FORCE AWAKENS. It had to bring viewers back. It had to harken back to a more palatable version of Trek.

Except it didn't. See the Nielsen ratings found in the charts on this page:

http://www.madmind.de/2009/05/02/all-star-trek-movies-and-episodes-in-two-charts/

It seems there was a downward trend that started with DS9, yes, but a downward trend that was never reversed by the later series. The total loss is biggest for DS9, which, ratingwise, started at TNG level, and ended at about Voyager level.

Voyager didn't break this downward trend, but continued it and in fact the curves of DS9 and VOY seem to correspond rather closely for the the period in which both series overlap. This would suggest that this was a more global phenomenon than either DS9 or VOY -- the market changing or problems with the trek franchise as a whole.

ENT also simply continued this downward trend. Until the series was canceled.