i very much love both Voyager and Galactica but i totally disagree about voyager being more like bsg.
Voyager is superior, it just is..
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Exactly. If a show is heavily serialized, I'd prefer it be a miniseries where the story is planned out, even if it's more than one season. There seems to be a false dichotomy out there that "Serialized is good, and procedural is bad." Or that "Episodic is dated." The biggest, most successful shows of the 2000's were episodic. Think CSI, or Law & Order, or even all the popular sitcoms(which Trek has never been able to compete with)
And episodic is a misnomer anyway. If we define episodic as "like TOS," then TNG, DS9, and VOY are most definitely Not "episodic."
Throughout the 20th century and even beyond, serialized tv shows were viewed as "low brow" and unsophisticated. I'm not knocking one or the other. I was hooked on Sopranos till the end. Rome, too. There are advantages and disadvantages to different forms of storytelling.
It might be useful to note that TNG, DS9, and Voyager all had about the same number of holodeck episodes(about7-10). DS9 and VOY ended up doing some more interesting things with them. Almost all of TNG holodeck episodes are the cliché "holodeck malfunction-we're trapped! The safeties are off!" Where as DS9 and VOY only used that plotline 2 or 3 times. Personally, I love TNG's holodeck episodes. I think they just got more creative later.
Just like TNG got more creative with time travel stories vs TOS-which were all the standard "Heroes travel to past" story.
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It's amazing to me that people create serialized shows with absolutely no idea where the main plot is headed. The X Files "mytharc" burned me in the 90s, and I've been skeptical of serialized shows ever since. I don't won't to spend 7 years watching a show only to say "welp, that sucked." Breaking Bad was the lone exception.
The X-Files combined monster of the week-with an overarching alien/conspiracy/Mulder plot.
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Yeah the alien conspiracy aka mytharc just kept getting more convoluted and nonsensical as it went along. After a while it because obvious that Chris Carter had absolutely no idea where the story was going. Still love those Monster of the Week episodes though.
Enterprise's Temporal Cold War would be another example of this sort of thing. Or maybe B&B were building up to time traveling space Nazis the whole time. I don't know. Either way it takes a way a bit of the enjoyment from otherwise entertaining episodes like "Future Tense" when you know you're never going to get any answers and that the writers themselves really had a clue either.
Funnily enough, my X Files experience lead me to skipping both Lost and the new BG. I figured I'd wait to see if the general reaction to the shows endings was positive or negative before giving them a shot.
Enterprise's Temporal Cold War would be another example of this sort of thing. Or maybe B&B were building up to time traveling space Nazis the whole time. I don't know. Either way it takes a way a bit of the enjoyment from otherwise entertaining episodes like "Future Tense" when you know you're never going to get any answers and that the writers themselves really had a clue either.
Funnily enough, my X Files experience lead me to skipping both Lost and the new BG. I figured I'd wait to see if the general reaction to the shows endings was positive or negative before giving them a shot.
Everyone quotes Ronald D Moore like his opinion is somehow unimpeachable. The bloke had a bitch fight with Brannon Braga then went off to make a show that may as well have opened every episode with a big flashing yellow title card saying 'THIS IS NOT STAR TREK LOL.' That's fine and all, but nuBSG's endless 'who/what/where is Gawd?' and the rapid decline in quality after the first season doesn't put him in the best standing in my view.
That he thinks anything should've been like Stargate: Universe is breathtaking. Voyager has many many faults - and a lot of them make me sad, especially when we glimpse what the series could've been (I have just rewatched Author, Author and that usually triggers a bout of Voyager introspection) - but it was never an unwatchable, coma-inducing slog of nothingness.
So for it's part, yes Voyager shits me. I love it anyway. Just slightly less than DS9 - which also shits me mainly because its ex post facto greatness ignores that it was guilty of the same storytelling missteps that plagued Voyager and TNG - and a few others, in the form of Rom, Nog, Leeta and every Ferengi episode
That he thinks anything should've been like Stargate: Universe is breathtaking. Voyager has many many faults - and a lot of them make me sad, especially when we glimpse what the series could've been (I have just rewatched Author, Author and that usually triggers a bout of Voyager introspection) - but it was never an unwatchable, coma-inducing slog of nothingness.
So for it's part, yes Voyager shits me. I love it anyway. Just slightly less than DS9 - which also shits me mainly because its ex post facto greatness ignores that it was guilty of the same storytelling missteps that plagued Voyager and TNG - and a few others, in the form of Rom, Nog, Leeta and every Ferengi episode
I always got the impression Moore simply didn't click with the voyager team or simply wasn't used to not getting his way. People that hated on Voyager took his interview as unimpeachable evidence about how supposedly terrible Voyager's writers were.
Those people never stopped and thought that hey this guy might have been at least a little self serving.
LOL, that must have been it! I just never recognised Stormfront for the masterpiece and climax of the entire Enterprise series it truly is
Well, everything should have some Robert Carlyle.
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To be honest I used to watch Stargate with Richard Dean Anderson and it was all right by me. I liked it mostly. Then one day I was watching TV at my Mum's place. She has Netflix. It was this episode where this creepy vampire like creature sucked the life out of what had become one of the main characters. I kept thinking there is no going back from that and it was disturbing.
The creepy vampire like creature sounds like the Wraith (the main antagonists) in Stargate Atlantis.
I enjoyed last years revival and look forward to the new 10 episodes just announced.
It didn't really become more serialised. In the first season, a majority of the eps were myth arc focused. If anything, we started getting more Monsters of the Week.
It's more that the arc itself played out, and they never really found a way to satisfyingly keep it going. Definitive 'ends' or answers (like the movie or the S7 finale) had to be undone, and nearly the entirety of the two part S9 finale was devoted to trying to set the way too complex story straight.
To complicate things, Duchovny cut back to part-time in S8. Which meant having to set aside time for introducing new characters, and left Mulder as a recurring character in his own myth arc.
I liked X-Files until the end, but that seemed to be the crux of people's problems with it.
It's more that the arc itself played out, and they never really found a way to satisfyingly keep it going. Definitive 'ends' or answers (like the movie or the S7 finale) had to be undone, and nearly the entirety of the two part S9 finale was devoted to trying to set the way too complex story straight.
To complicate things, Duchovny cut back to part-time in S8. Which meant having to set aside time for introducing new characters, and left Mulder as a recurring character in his own myth arc.
I liked X-Files until the end, but that seemed to be the crux of people's problems with it.
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I love that episode. That ending scene gets me every time
Season 8 is tolerable but I can't rewatch Season 9. I wish they could have wrapped it up and called it a series when season 7 ended.
I finally got around to buying the DVD set. There has been a bump up of available stock on eBay, so prices came down. Got mine for $56 shipped. I'd have gone for the Blu-ray instead, but I don't have a player as yet... too many choices and haven't decided on what model to get!
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