here's what janeway said regarding the BQ in "renaissance man"
voyager was clearly still in the DQ until the end of the series.
Voyager In The Beta Quadrant
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here's what janeway said regarding the BQ in "renaissance man"
The Star Charts maps on the route of the ship have some clear errors in them, but overall they conform to the official onscreen map of the route pretty well.
Small errors include e.g. the location of Talaxia, which is listed as being near the Ocampa planet on p.82 but should be close to where "Jetrel" happened instead, near the bottom of p.83 - and the location of the singularity they found in "Parallax", which by all rights should have been right next to Ocampa. Other pages have lesser errors of the same sort. And the fifth season locations are not in stardate order, but more like (but not quite) in airdate order, which annoys the perfectionist in me.
Overall, though, the distances spanned work out all right in those maps, and leave the ship safely on the Delta side, although not by "thousands of parsecs" as Janeway expressed it. One could interpret Janeway's statement in many ways, though - such as indicating that the Hierarchy extended thousands of parsecs AND from there to the border, the two not being the same thing.
Timo Saloniemi
Small errors include e.g. the location of Talaxia, which is listed as being near the Ocampa planet on p.82 but should be close to where "Jetrel" happened instead, near the bottom of p.83 - and the location of the singularity they found in "Parallax", which by all rights should have been right next to Ocampa. Other pages have lesser errors of the same sort. And the fifth season locations are not in stardate order, but more like (but not quite) in airdate order, which annoys the perfectionist in me.
Overall, though, the distances spanned work out all right in those maps, and leave the ship safely on the Delta side, although not by "thousands of parsecs" as Janeway expressed it. One could interpret Janeway's statement in many ways, though - such as indicating that the Hierarchy extended thousands of parsecs AND from there to the border, the two not being the same thing.
Timo Saloniemi
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LMAO, Transphasic Warp Drive. I guess everything can be Transphasic, we've had warp drive and Torpedoes, what next Transphasic Phasers.
well, in defense of that quote that was actually the EMH disguised as janeway and he was spouting off BS b/c he was in a hurry to get the gear off voyager to rescue janeway from the hierarchy.
I sent TPTB map updates on occasion, but there was either a lot of mis-communication or they decided to keep with certain distances in dialogue because they just felt like it, but the bottom line is that the sum of the super-jumps put Voyager a good way over the beta-delta border a long time before "Endgame." Nobody really addressed it, and the scripts kept Voyager in the delta quadrant right up until the Borg hub bounce. Made no sense to me. Oh well.
Rick
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Well Voyager was without a doubt only 44000 lightyears from the Beta Quadrant Border in Caretaker.
If my memory is right and they say it would take them 75 years to travel the 70000 lightyears then that's 933 lightyears per year.
A 10 year jump would give them a distance jump of 9333 lightyears.
How many 10 year jumps did they make again?
I think we should also not forget that Q gave them a PADD of info that would shave 2 years off the journey in Q2. But I can't remember when that takes place so maybe they had already crossed the border anyway by then.
If my memory is right and they say it would take them 75 years to travel the 70000 lightyears then that's 933 lightyears per year.
A 10 year jump would give them a distance jump of 9333 lightyears.
How many 10 year jumps did they make again?
I think we should also not forget that Q gave them a PADD of info that would shave 2 years off the journey in Q2. But I can't remember when that takes place so maybe they had already crossed the border anyway by then.
I think that adding and shaving jouney time were mostly caused more by races that didn't allow Voyager to cross their space and natural barriers such as the type that was in seen in "One". Q gave Janeway a map a way to avoid those things and races stopping them adding uneeded detours. the Astrometrics lab was good but even with Seven's borg knowledge she wouldn't know all the obsticals were coming up on the journey while Q would know. i.e you should adjust your course/speed at this point to avoid this race/thing and not at this point like you would normally.
But as pointed out earlier, that was a highly optimistic estimate. Apparently, they did more like 500 ly/y at best in practice, if we accept both Barclay's estimate of warp 6.8 average speed and the Encyclopedia definition of warp 6.8 (although the former is just a good guess and the latter is not canon). And they'd have known it, too - so a "10-year jump" would be calculated by using their actual average speed, thus being about 5,000 ly, rather than 10,000.
The dodging they did to get past their enemies is likely to have featured in the long jumps as well: they would not be directly towards Earth, but instead to the direction that best avoided the enemy. That is, if they even had good control over direction, which they usually didn't.
Good old Star Trek Dimension (www.stdimension.org, in German) lists in its Cartography section the distances actually mentioned in the episodes, using the "warp 6.8 < 500 ly/y" assumption, and comes up with a total distance traveled that is a bit below 35,000 ly. That leaves a slight safety margin before the reaching of the Beta border, even.
Timo Saloniemi
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