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Voyager Continued

uniderth

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I know Voyager has a pretty bad rep, which is often times well deserved. But it did have a lot of potential. It's really sad it couldn't have been something awesome.

This is my idea for a Voyager redemptive relaunch. Instead of showing the adventures of Voyager in the Alpha Quadrant, my idea is to get Voyager back out in the Delta quadrant and have it portrayed the way we all hoped it would have been.

To start it off it would take place less than twenty years since Voyager's miraculous return to earth. The only problem is almost all of Voyager's crew have taken ill. Writhing in pain every crew member grotesquely vanishes into thin air. Even voyager herself just dissolves and vanishes all except for a few components. Icheb, and possibly the Doctor, are the only ones of the Voyager's crew left alive. Starfleet is stumped on how this could happen and why only two crew members were left alive.

Back in the Delta Quadrant Voyager is landed on an asteroid-like planet undergoing extensive repair. They've would have been there for about a year; but the ship would triumphantly relaunch during the season premier. Voyager is now with two other ships. Chakotay has taken command of a derelict ship they found. And since Voyager can no longer haul around the Baxial, Nelix is in command with a small crew.

On earth, Starfleet has to figure out what happened to Voyager and where they went. Icheb and the Doctor, and Barclay, and perhaps a new person, lead the way on this front. But eventually they will figure out the the Voyager and all the crew were copies.

This all happened is becasue between episodes 15 and 16 of Season six, Suspiria (or some other alien) made a "subspace (or some other technobabble) copy" of Voyager and held the real one suspended. It was this copy that made it home and dissolved in front of Starfleet. Icheb didn't dissolve becasue we wasn't a copy. He was picked up in episode 16 by the copy Voyager. The Doctor could survive becasue he is just a copy of the subspace copy data. But if the doctor was in his mobile emitter at the time the emitter vanished then the Doctor would go along with it.

At this point Voyager is free to fulfill all the missed potential in the previous seasons. I would show the ship all beat up and damaged, with repairs on top of repairs. Not necessarily jarringly ugly, but clear they have been out here a while.

At some point I would like to introduce a another crew and try and redo the mixed crew tensions. But make it a real issue instead of simply fading away. I'd put the crew back on rations and no holodecks.

I'd probably run it for two or three seasons, most likely two. And it would end with Voyager having made the long trip back with some triumphant destruction of Suspiria at the end.

I set the divergence point intentionally because I didn't want seasons six and seven turned into pointless "it was just a dream" seasons. So i wanted Icheb and the other Borg children to be real, not copied. Also the copy Voyager left a real impact in it's wake, such as Unimatrix zero, copy Nelix's new family, etc. Some of these could possibly be explored. But it also allows us to rewrite some of the less pleasant stuff in seasons six and seven. The reason I went with the copy thing was becasue of the stupid scene in Nemesis where Janeway talks with Picard. Without that I could have just made the series finale a dream. But unless I went the subspace copy route I would have had to Gilligan's Island Voyager and just throw it back into the delta Quadrant and that seemed more contrived.

I haven't come up with any stories for this. But it's just so sad Voyager didn't get to reach it's potential and this would be my way of letting it do that.
 
As I understand it, the VOY novels had the temerity to actually kill off Janeway. For which segment of their readership this was catering to, I haven't the faintest idea. Were book $ales that poor, where nobody even gave a shit about something like that, anymore? I mean, I know they did bring her back in some fashion, or another, later on, but she wasn't the same, anymore. Are STAR TREK novels "anything goes" fare, once a series goes off the air?
 
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As I understand it, the VOY novels had the temerity to actually kill off Janeway. For which segment of their readership this was catering to, I haven't the faintest idea. Were book $ales that poor, where nobody even gave a shit about something like that, anymore? I mean, I know they did bring her back in some fashion, or another, later on, but she wasn't the same, anymore. Are STAR TREK novels "anything goes" fare, once a series goes off the air?

Well, for Enterprise the novels were clean up detail for every error the shows were making.
 
Well, for Enterprise the novels were clean up detail for every error the shows were making.
Hahaha!!! No ... NO!!! Why do they do that kind of stuff, it seems so pointless. Like, there's some book about how Khan actually DID exist in the 1990's that really happened and proceeds to shoehorn him into every Headline of the decade, so that TOS doesn't have to be in another timeline, in people's minds, I guess? It makes me quite fearful to go the TREK Novel route. I do own SPOCK: MESSIAH, because I thought it meant he converted to Catholicism. And I have some TNG book called FRIEND or FOE, or some shit, I forget right now. But it's so bad that the publisher didn't even bother giving it an official cover. It uses a picture of a Collector's Plate on it ...
 
FYI: 1. K.Janeway was not "killed" off in a Voyager novel, but a TNG book (in 2007, and yes that was horrid) 2. she was returned to human life in the Voyager novel The Eternal Tide, 8/2012, and not in "some fashion", but as her regular self, just missing a former injury (which then was a good thing), and 3. sales of Voyager novels after Admiral K.Janeway was brought back were good enough to land the next Voy. novel (Protectors by K.Beyer, Jan. 2014) onto the NYT sci fi best seller list, and there have been 3 more Voy. novels since then, and more to come. Just wanted to note this info, cheers! BTW, Voyager was quite awesome.
 
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My thoughts on a Voyager relaunch:
With the Maquis on the crew the ship could be seen as one of redemption for past wrongs, which is why the newly appointed Commanding Officer is Erika Benteen, recently promoted back to Captain. She has a lot to live up too after Janeway's time in command of the ship, as well as her past mistakes, which she must deal with as she leads Voyager on the first deep space mission of the Gamma Quadrant after the Dominion War (up until now, any forays into the region have been short-term).

Commander Tuvok has been appointed as her First Officer. Lieutenant Commander Ezri Dax is the ship's Counsellor and Diplomatic Officer (as well as being Second Officer). Lieutenant Zavier Ayala is the Flight Control Officer, Lieutenant Linzi Golwat as Security Chief, Lieutenant Samantha Wildman is the new Chief Science Officer whilst her husband Lieutenant Greskrendtregkt is the ship's Doctor, Lieutenant Vorik is Chief Engineer, and Ensign Gerron Enek is Ops Manager.
 
As I understand it, the VOY novels had the temerity to actually kill off Janeway. For which segment of their readership this was catering to, I haven't the faintest idea. Were book $ales that poor, where nobody even gave a shit about something like that, anymore? I mean, I know they did bring her back in some fashion, or another, later on, but she wasn't the same, anymore. Are STAR TREK novels "anything goes" fare, once a series goes off the air?
Pretty much, yep. Everything has to be approved by CBS, though.
The in-universe timeline is something like 10 years after DS9 ended. Things will have happened and changed in that time.
 
When it comes to the further adventures of STAR TREK, in prose, I'm mostly familiar with the fan fiction of Whoa Nelly & Will's Babe. Their love of TNG and attention to detail is really quite wonderful, for what it is. But it seems like when you get into the "Official" Franchise Novels, beloved characters get killed off, or the book's focus seems to be on their new characters, or the premise sucks, or the authors don't seem to get the characters' personas right ... How is it that Free fan fiction seems to be so much better material than Paid fan fiction? Perhaps its the simple fact of having a deadline - you know? Free fan fiction can take its sweet time, to become more refined ....
 
I love Byer's Voyager re-launch novels. They are my headcanon. I am not happy with everything she has done but overall that's how I saw events unfolding. Janeway was killed off in a TNG novel but there is debate as to whether or not she really 'died'. Let's just say Q was involved and leave it at that.
 
FYI: 1. K.Janeway was not "killed" off in a Voyager novel, but a TNG book (in 2007, and yes that was horrid)
You misspelled AWESOME. But the whole thing was very very stupid and very obviously done by Peter David to express disgust (which I share) with Janeway. Worth noting is that he also
had the Borg EAT PLUTO on their way into the solar system, probably out of irritation with it getting demoted from being a planet in the real world
so while I enjoyed the book immensely I'm also not incredibly concerned with its place in the novelverse "canon". ;)
 
uniderth, is any of this discussion affecting your proposed storyline, at all?

I haven't read the books so there's no way for me to really know. Though I don't really have a problem with much of it as along as the copy ship and crew dissolve by 2395.
 
You misspelled AWESOME. ;)
I didn't misspell anything (ha); IMO the 2007 TNG book was horrid, though Voyager and K.Janeway are indeed awesome. And the Voyager novels from 8/2012 onwards are doing nicely. BTW P.David was reported to have said after his 2007 book came out that he was hired to give her a "heroic sendoff" in the Trek novels, well thankfully that was just a temporary situation, and "now" Admiral Janeway is quite alive and well in the litverse, yes!
 
I didn't misspell anything (ha); IMO the 2007 TNG book was horrid, though Voyager and K.Janeway are indeed awesome. And the Voyager novels from 8/2012 onwards are doing nicely. BTW P.David was reported to have said after his 2007 book came out that he was hired to give her a "heroic sendoff" in the Trek novels, well thankfully that was just a temporary situation, and "now" Admiral Janeway is quite alive and well in the litverse, yes!
I don't hate Janeway all the way around - especially not now that my mind blurs the line between her and Red from "Orange Is The New Black" :D - but it was nice to see her get killed by something dumb and undignified at least once after her horrible (but admittedly retconned) behavior in "Year of Hell", and for being too dumb to put her crew in stasis and use transwarp to get home - the Doctor could have reversed it even if any of the crew turned into salamanders. ;)
 
I just got this mental image of Voyager arriving back in the Alpha Quadrant and refusing to answer hails.
The boarding party is greeted by a ship full of...lizards.
 
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Well people can like or dislike what they want lol, and I'm not too concerned with why in this particular thread. Was just noting in the first place that Janeway wasn't "killed" in a Voyager novel (as mentioned above), and that she has been returned (which was awesome IMO) to human life in Treklit just about the way (not exactly but close) she was before being (temporarily it turned out) "sent off." And the Voyager novels are continuing on with Admiral K.Janeway involved as well. Other than that, no more further comment except cheerio!
 
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Trip, Data and Janeway all coming back is what turned me off to the majority of TrekLit.
 
Trip, Data and Janeway all coming back is what turned me off to the majority of TrekLit.

We never really knew if Trip was dead as we saw his 'death' in a holo program. Some people argue that Janeway never really died either because she wound up with the Q...and Data is a machine whose memories were saved. I know, it's all one big stretch.

I don't know the reasons behind bringing Data and Trip back but I believe Byers was told by the editors that they wanted her next book to involve Q and they all realized they couldn't involve Q without addressing Janeway since the last time we saw her she was with them. I don't think they set out to bring her back originally but one thing led to another. This comes from an interview with Byers btw. Its floating around somewhere.
 
We never really knew if Trip was dead as we saw his 'death' in a holo program.
This argument is frequently and liberally used by others, but I'm not sure I buy it. I mean ... we see T'Pol sniffing his clothes, discussing Trip's death. There's no ambiguity involved. If that were the case, then the argument could be made that none of what happened in this holoprogram was factual. But Troi's discussions with Riker strongly indicate that these simulated events did happen. I know we're all looking for some wiggle-room, regarding Trip's death - I found it to be needless and completely idiotic, myself. But there's really no case to be made for holodeck inaccuracy ... it just seems kind of silly.
 
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