Voyager again, for the first time

[Sindatur]

ETA: You really don't think that the stereotype of a slutty farm girl is offensive? Stupid?

Not as long as they stay away from the schtick of her brothers chasing her for some (Sorry couldn't resist )

Yea, they did go overboard, when I recently did my rewatch, I couldn't help of thinking of 2001 Maniacs (Came out in 2005)

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

^^
I don't find those farm people stupid.

And if we're going to nitpick, they weren't supposed to be "real" farm people but holographic farm people.

Actually, I said the stereotypes were stupid. And they were. Corny accents, banjos, a slutty version of Ellie Mae Clampett and, well, corn... Yee haw! Let's have a hoe-down!

Once again, it's a perfect example of using stereotypes that make it patently obvious that TPTB have never set foot on a farm.

And since Janeway supposedly grew up in farm country (even to the point where she could tell the difference between manures by smell), that's a stereotypical (and unrealistic) image they took from her brain to create the illusion.

ETA: You really don't think that the stereotype of a slutty farm girl is offensive? Stupid?

But they didn't take it from Janeway's brain! They took it from Paris's brain and it was straight out of his Beverly Hillbillies late night popcorn viewing.

 

[JanewayRulz!]

TEYA wrote
^ Ah, Voyager. Promulgating stupid Indian stereotypes & stupid farm people stereotypes all in one fell swoop...

But wasn't that supposed to be the point, that the Caretaker's holograms were a "stupid stereotype"?


As for Indian stereotypes, when I think of Chakotay in this ep, I think of Tom's conversation with Janeway in New Zealand.

PARIS: Chakotay will tell you he left Starfleet on principle, to defend his home colony from the Cardassians. I, on the other hand, was forced to resign. He considered me a mercenary, willing to fight for anyone who'd pay my bar bill. Trouble is, he was right. I have no problem helping you track down my friends in the Maquis, Captain. All I need to know from you is what's in it for me.

And Voyager stunted you. Squashed your little brains into its petty definition of wonder and its instant fix "science". Pummeled you with racist and specieist truths all newspeaked into Federation ideals. GUTTED the Borg. How are you supposed to expand and grow after that happens?!

Thank goodness I had TOS. I never suffered like you young 'uns did.

You are so funny.

signed,

a former young'un

 

[teya]

As for Indian stereotypes, when I think of Chakotay in this ep, I think of Tom's conversation with Janeway in New Zealand.

And, see, as an Indian, I think of such cringeworthy moments as Tom's life belonging to Chakotay and incoherent babble about turning into a bird & flying out of there.

A noble savage is still a savage. A positive stereotype is still a stereotype.

They couldn't even be bothered to give the man a real tribe.

 

[teya]

^^
I don't find those farm people stupid.

And if we're going to nitpick, they weren't supposed to be "real" farm people but holographic farm people.

Actually, I said the stereotypes were stupid. And they were. Corny accents, banjos, a slutty version of Ellie Mae Clampett and, well, corn... Yee haw! Let's have a hoe-down!

Once again, it's a perfect example of using stereotypes that make it patently obvious that TPTB have never set foot on a farm.

And since Janeway supposedly grew up in farm country (even to the point where she could tell the difference between manures by smell), that's a stereotypical (and unrealistic) image they took from her brain to create the illusion.

ETA: You really don't think that the stereotype of a slutty farm girl is offensive? Stupid?

But they didn't take it from Janeway's brain! They took it from Paris's brain and it was straight out of his Beverly Hillbillies late night popcorn viewing.

Now that makes sense. In a Voyager sort of way.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Those farm people were from the 1930s.

They weren't stereotypes more so than archetypes.

 

[teya]

Those farm people were from the 1930s.

They weren't stereotypes more so than archetypes.

I'm curious and need the perspective of folks from outside the states.

Based on TV, what do you think Americans sound like? Do we all sound alike to you?

I mean, I know the average American can't tell the difference between an Australian accent & a British accent, so I'm wondering if it's the same for you. Does NY and Georgia sound the same to you?

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

No, they sound very different IRL. But people on television all have the same accent unless the character is about them being from the south, or the bronx or whatever.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Doctor Doolittle I am not, but it's pretty obvious to delineate one side of the country form the other.

But the window we get into America is movies and scripted fiction where after so many classes and a lot of coaching that a uniform acceptable accent for TV has been constructed.

I quite like Dallas, Nashville and Hart of Dixie at the moment, but 90 percent of the ascents in those shows are fake, and terrible, which is only going to misrepresent my belief in Americana a little more.

I've met a handful of Americans in my life and they never sound like TV.

North from south is piss easy.

The different souths?

Too far north and Canadianisms start slipping in.

Maybe this is a better question for someone who watches "relaity TV" or has actually travelled through America.

 

[Dick_Valentine]

Those farm people were from the 1930s.

They weren't stereotypes more so than archetypes.

I'm curious and need the perspective of folks from outside the states.

Based on TV, what do you think Americans sound like? Do we all sound alike to you?

I mean, I know the average American can't tell the difference between an Australian accent & a British accent, so I'm wondering if it's the same for you. Does NY and Georgia sound the same to you?

I'm British....

I can tell the difference between Dale Earndheart Jr and Frasier Crane. And Homer Simpson sounds different to Dr Cox from Scrubs, etc.

Ask someone here to do a NY accent and they'll probably do Chandler/Joey from friends (How you doin,...could I BE any more of a stereotype, etc)
Ask them to do anything southern they'll probably do Foghorn Leghorn.

P.S. tell your friends we have more than 2 accents (Royal and cockney..) thank you very much

 

[JirinPanthosa]

I like Encounter at Farpoint. It wasn't perfect and it had a heavy helping of smugness, and was a clear instance of a show that hadn't figured itself out yet, but I think Picard's attitude toward Q saved the episode and made it interesting, and I like that the test was to intuit the existence of life unlike one's self.

Emissary is the absolute clear winner for pilots, but Caretaker and Farpoint are solid B's to me. The only bad pilot IMO is Broken Bow.

@Dick

Come on, I would *totally* do Jeff Foxworthy.

Anything's better than Marina Sirtis trying to do a Russian accent. Why Stargate why?!

 

[Guy Gardener]

You understand that the Actress speaks with an English Accent when no one is giving her money?

Marina was 31 before she moved to the States, so her "accent" isn't going anywhere.

 

[JanewayRulz!]

As for Indian stereotypes, when I think of Chakotay in this ep, I think of Tom's conversation with Janeway in New Zealand.

And, see, as an Indian, I think of such cringeworthy moments as Tom's life belonging to Chakotay and incoherent babble about turning into a bird & flying out of there.

A noble savage is still a savage. A positive stereotype is still a stereotype.

They couldn't even be bothered to give the man a real tribe.

I see your point.

I also see why young white men would cringe at the young white male stereotype in Tom's conversation with Janeway.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Tom is 25?

The Stereotype he's manifesting is Opie Taylor.

7 year old Ron Howard.

 

[teya]

As for Indian stereotypes, when I think of Chakotay in this ep, I think of Tom's conversation with Janeway in New Zealand.

And, see, as an Indian, I think of such cringeworthy moments as Tom's life belonging to Chakotay and incoherent babble about turning into a bird & flying out of there.

A noble savage is still a savage. A positive stereotype is still a stereotype.

They couldn't even be bothered to give the man a real tribe.

I see your point.

I also see why young white men would cringe at the young white male stereotype in Tom's conversation with Janeway.

Maybe they would.

However there are lots of fine, upstanding examples of white malehood in Star Trek.

There is only one Indian.

When they first announced that Voyager would have an American Indian crew member, we were thrilled. He could be inspirational, the way Uhura was in the 60s.

Then they made the character completely unrecognizable as an Indian to other Indians. So much for inspirational.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

I also see why young white men would cringe at the young white male stereotype in Tom's conversation with Janeway.

Young white men cringe?

 

[Sindatur]

I also see why young white men would cringe at the young white male stereotype in Tom's conversation with Janeway.

Young white men cringe?

New Grunge Band?

 

[Guy Gardener]

Any one have a problem with Cringer from Masters of the Universe?

It's a talking house cat that's afraid of everything comic relief.

Then Prince Adam says his magic word and Cringer loses 90 IQ points and gains 2000 pounds of muscle density and is utterly fearless.

And when your pet can talk, it's not a pet, it's a slave.

I'm surprised He-Man didn't use a riding crop while riding Battlecat.

Given that example, should the US Army lobotomise and pump full of steroids all the recruits passing through boot camp?

 

[DeepSpaceWine]

Any one have a problem with Cringer from Masters of the Universe?

It's a talking house cat that's afraid of everything comic relief.

Then Prince Adam says his magic word and Cringer loses 90 IQ points and gains 2000 pounds of muscle density and is utterly fearless.

And when your pet can talk, it's not a pet, it's a slave.

I'm surprised He-Man didn't use a riding crop while riding Battlecat.

Given that example, should the US Army lobotomise and pump full of steroids all the recruits passing through boot camp?

Well, Luna of the Lunataks on Thundercats used a riding crop when she rode Amok. BTW, Panthro was voiced by the grandpa from The Cosby Show.

Speaking of He-Man, Skeletor (who also voiced Cringer & Battlecat) is the captain of the Odyssey, Koroth from "Rightful Heir", and the ambassador in the greatest space elevator story produced in the year of 1997, "Rise". DS9 liked getting cartoon villains as they also had the voice of Cobra Commander/Starscream as characters in "The Passenger" & "Blood Oath" (he was also in TNG). Unfortunately Destro never graced Star Trek. He had a great voice.

 

[NightJim]

Parallax

A pretty bog standard Star Trek temporal anomaly helps frame a situation that exemplifies the friction between the Starfleet and Marquis crews.

A good episode that needed to happen. Janeway wants to bury the majority of the Marquis crew in minor roles due to 'regulations'. A rather short sighted stance for someone who's just been forced into a 75 year journey. Chakotay is the voice of reason here, the one person who points out that they need to find a balance between the two.

I also liked how much Janeway's science background comes into play, first when she wants the readings of the anomaly sent to her ready room for her own readings, then later as she warms up to Torres and they start riffing on solutions. Though she seriously gets a bit too close to Torres' face. This is a woman that started the episode by breaking someone's nose.

All in all a good episode that does well to further the characters and the Marquis/Starfleet situation on the ship.