I love TOS. But slavish visual fidelity to a 1960s tv show? No. I'd rather see a new creative vision that looks like it was conceived in the 21st century. Star Trek isn't defined (re: confined) by mid-20th century sci-fi visual aesthetics.
Spoilers Visual continuity - Does Discovery strictly need to show past designs... at all?
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No of course it doesn't, any more than the next Batman movie needs to show the Adam West Batmobile.
This is a new Trek with a new look and they're disregarding anything they want from prior incarnations of the show.
This is a new Trek with a new look and they're disregarding anything they want from prior incarnations of the show.
The Constitution class Defiant has been in the possession of the Terran Empire (for whatever number of decades), since it was first rescued by Evil Captain Archer and company. Obviously, the Empire has made some updates to it, to better reflect their warmongering aesthetic.
Easy peasy...
Easy peasy...
If the first star trek had come out in the late 1930's, would people be clamoring for the new show to be in black and white with a flimsy Flash Gordon rocket on a silk string? Star Trek came out at the beginning of widespread use of color television. The stories made the show iconic, but the visuals were impressive.
But.. it was made just a bit too early for really good effects to solidify the design. As big of a budget as they had, they were not going to create anything as detailed as the models from TMP. I have heard the argument that Star Wars ANH still looks good now, and no one is trying to change the basic look of SW so why do that to Trek? But if Star Wars A New Hope had been made for television in the mid sixties, it would have looked very different, and it would have gotten its own face-lift a decade or more later, or people would have laughed at it.
There WAS another space sci fi movie from a major studio the month TMP came out that decided not to go the ILM route for special effects. It didn't look bad necessarily, but it did look dated. The Black Hole is not getting any sequels any time soon.
TMP Enterprise looks just as good now as it did in 79. TOS Enterprise does not. It's cool and nostalgic, but it looks like a 1960's model. I'm going to stop replying to these threads. People who believe visuals are canon will not change their mind, and that's fine, but time moves on.
But.. it was made just a bit too early for really good effects to solidify the design. As big of a budget as they had, they were not going to create anything as detailed as the models from TMP. I have heard the argument that Star Wars ANH still looks good now, and no one is trying to change the basic look of SW so why do that to Trek? But if Star Wars A New Hope had been made for television in the mid sixties, it would have looked very different, and it would have gotten its own face-lift a decade or more later, or people would have laughed at it.
There WAS another space sci fi movie from a major studio the month TMP came out that decided not to go the ILM route for special effects. It didn't look bad necessarily, but it did look dated. The Black Hole is not getting any sequels any time soon.
TMP Enterprise looks just as good now as it did in 79. TOS Enterprise does not. It's cool and nostalgic, but it looks like a 1960's model. I'm going to stop replying to these threads. People who believe visuals are canon will not change their mind, and that's fine, but time moves on.
So what if they show the Prime Connie looking nearly identical to that graphic?The Constitution class Defiant has been in the possession of the Terran Empire (for whatever number of decades), since it was first rescued by Evil Captain Archer and company. Obviously, the Empire has made some updates to it, to better reflect their warmongering aesthetic.
Easy peasy...
Leave Discovery as it is,a testbed.. Leave the Enterprise exterior as it has been.
The Constitution class Defiant has been in the possession of the Terran Empire (for whatever number of decades), since it was first rescued by Evil Captain Archer and company. Obviously, the Empire has made some updates to it, to better reflect their warmongering aesthetic.
Easy peasy...
Which brings up the question as to why the ISS Enterprise looks sooo much like the Defiant in its original configuration than the updated version Discovery presents?
The proportions and engineering hull of the reimagined Defiant really remind me of the cover image on the ancient Star Trek: 25th Anniversary game
It might be the flagship of the Empire.
Um, you do realize that the ultimate design for the U.S.S. Discovery that we see in this show was based off a re-design for the U.S.S. Enterprise for the not completed "Planet of the Titans" project (circa 1976 = 42 years ago...) - right?
I agree. Realistically, ISS Enterprise may somewhat resemble USS Defiant but that would be about it. Much like how a modern day aircraft carrier resembles USS Langley or other aircraft carriers of the early 20th century. Like our the real world carriers, there would be many, many noticeable differences between Defiant and ISS Enterprise as the future technology from Defiant would applied to the 22nd century tech of the Terran Empire and branch out.
I seriously doubt that the two Mirror universes are the same. The Mirror universe that grabbed the Defiant should be far ahead of the one presented in TOS.
Looks just fine to me.
Looks just fine to me.
The design looks great even after 50+ years IMHO. I hope the producers or DIS don't change her (wireframe pic of Defiant aside).
100% Agreed well said. I hope they don't change her either.
If the show were admitted to be a reboot, I'd say go crazy and redesign the hell out of whatever you want. But they keep wanting to keep up this pretense of being in the Prime Universe and saying everything will match up or whatever. Which kind of makes the whole D-7 fiasco inexcusable. That and if you know enough to know there's a Klingon ship design known as the D-7, then you know enough to know what it looks like. They likely learned of the D-7 by looking up Wikipedia, Memory Alpha, or the Star Trek Encyclopedia, all of which contain images. They actively disregarded the canon they claim they are adhering to by naming a new design "D-7."
I'm really not optimistic about the Constitution class, especially after seeing the wireframe Defiant. If it has indeed been changed, then the producers really need to shut their mouths about the Prime Universe and just admit this show is its own continuity.
I'm really not optimistic about the Constitution class, especially after seeing the wireframe Defiant. If it has indeed been changed, then the producers really need to shut their mouths about the Prime Universe and just admit this show is its own continuity.
I don't see why you have to insult Lost in Space, the Jupiter 2 holds up today just as well as the Enterprise if not moreso. These are iconic designs and they should keep the same style, but updates are fine, they shouldn't look dated or cheap, but that doesn't mean they have to be totally Reimagined.
Yeah they need to chuck the goofy and Dated 1960's look. This is not a one off homage, this is an active show and showing that goofy 1960's ship that is supposed to be after the Walker ( but can not be) is silly and will lose viewers.
A few things
1: Star wars was not supposed to be the future, but the non earth past
2: Star wars does not look as dated because they went with a set visual style that did not date it much. It was a mix of 30, 40 and 70's sci-fi/
3: Trek never has kept a style, they themselves threw out TOS in 79 and never went back.
You can not compare the two as they can not be compared.
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