Virtual Black Holes - Do They Create The Mass of the Universe?

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  1. Dryson

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    I watched a video, about a week ago, that discussed Quantum Foam and Virtual Black Holes. According to theory, VBH are temporary black holes that have very small mass and reside in the TeV range, which are available in particle accelerators such as the LHC. Since VBH are only temporary, existing for a only a Plank second before evaporating, there must be a process that is similar to a black hole that creates the VBH.

    We know that a black hole is formed from gravitational collapse, or when the object's internal pressure is insufficient to resist the objects own gravity, which normally occurs as a result of the star having to little fuel, which generates heat, left to maintain its temperature or because the star receives extra matter in a way that does not raise its core temperature. Heat or the rapid acceleration of particles, seems to be what keeps a star from collapsing into a black hole.

    The star also collapses as a result of receiving extra matter that doesn't cause the temperature of the star's core to increase to resist it's own gravity, instead the extra matter that it receives would increase the gravitational pull of the outer layer of the star on the core of the star itself. The outer layer is pulled inwards, toward the core. The matter that is added must therefore be matter that causes the outer layer of the star to cool down, just enough, so that the interaction between the core, the cooling matter and the elemental composition of the outer layer of the star creates a sudden and extremely cold region that increases the magnetic properties of the outer layer that then comes crashing into the core at extreme velocities. Magnets lose their magnetic properties above 176 degrees. Therefore the outer layer would cool, almost instantly, to below 176 degrees, causing a sudden change in particles with magnetic properties. Basically the particles with magnetic properties sudden become magnetic and are pulled toward the core of the star.

    Experiment

    I have three layers. The first layer or the core, is a very magnet. The second layer is a hot layer, 200 + degree, that disrupts the magnet from pulling the upper layer of star into the core, which is also very hot. Enter the extra matter that causes a Swiss Cheese effect in the hot layer. The holes in the hot layer caused by the extra matter allows heat from upper layer to escape that cools the particles in the upper layer. The magnetism in the core is now able to effect the particles with increased magnetic properties that pulls the outer layer inwards.

    What you will need are two magnets, one flat with a hole in it and one cylinder shaped that is around 5" long, plastic washers for the inside of the flat magnet, a metal post for the center of the magnet that would be loose fitting but slightly tight around the pole that is attached to the top of the sieve,a sieve and a blow torch.

    1. Securely fasten the larger magnet in the middle of a table, this will be the core of the star.
    2. Hold the sieve, metal pole and flat magnet attached to the center, above the core pole.
    3. Move the sieve close to the core pole, the flat magnet should be attracted to the core pole and would move faster along the metal pole towards the top of the sieve, if the resistance between the metal pole and the plastic washers was done correctly. Record the distance that the sieve is from the top of core pole that caused the greatest attraction between the core pole and flat magnet
    4. Return the magnet to its starting position.
    5. Using the blow torch, super heat the sieve until it glowing red hot but not melting. This would simulate the heat being generated that reduces the magnetic properties of particles within a star.
    6. Move the sieve close to the core pole again, there should be almost no magnetic interaction taking place between the core pole and the flat magnetic.
    7. While the sieve is still super hot, move the sieve to the location recorded in #3.
    8. As the sieve cools down, you should be able to see the flat magnet wobble slightly on its pole as the result of gaps in the heat allowing the core pole to attract the flat magnet.
    9. When the sieve has lost its heat, the flat magnet should instantly align to the core pole and very suddenly crash into the top of the sieve.


    Oh yes, the VBH.

    The extra matter that causes a star to collapse into a black hole must also be responsible for causing Quantum particles to suddenly collapse into a VBH or MBH. But unlike a star collapsing into a black hole, the gravitational influence of the outer layer crashing into the core of the Quantum particle being effected upon is not great enough to create a singularity but would instead create a sudden pull inwards before the VBH evaporates. We also know that a black hole consumes all matter within its Event Horizon. The VBH, however, must not have the same mechanism or transfer of energetic properties between the extra matter and Quantum particle to instantiate a large and massive gravity well like is seen in a black hole.

    Therefore, with an infinite number of VBH coming into existence and evaporating almost instantly, the need to overcome VBH would require an infinite amount of propulsive energy to overcome the infinite number of VBH encountered times an exponential based on the increased velocity of the object over a said distance, where object would encounter an infinite number of VBH times and exponential that would create a gravitational effect on the object that would limit a particle's top most speed at c.

    Basically the faster an object travels towards the speed of light, the object will encounter more VBH that creates a near infinite gravitational pull on the object. The slower an object travels means that it is still encountering an infinite number of VBH but the rate of VBH evaporation and creation is just enough to allow a rocket to travel through space time. Therefore, the gravity created by Virtual Black Holes would theoretically account for 95% of all gravitational influences upon an object traveling closer to the speed of light.

    In theory, being able to prevent the extra matter from interacting with Quantum particles that create VBH could be another key to the door of FTL drive. By basically turning off the interaction between the extra matter and Quantum particle, VBH would not be created in a region around the object. With no VBH in the region around the object creating micro flashes of gravity, the object could travel through space time at close c speed velocities.

    The interaction between the extra matter and Quantum particles must also be very specific, the extra matter would only effect certain Quantum particles or just one particular Quantum particle to create a VBH, otherwise the interaction between the extra matter and Quantum particles would create the real of infinite VBH being present from all Quantum particles that would keep anything from being move around at all.
     
  2. Finn

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    :cardie:
     
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  3. Silvercrest

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    Gibberish!

    No, it couldn't. You've written things like this before. That's STILL not how it works.
     
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    It's really not open for discussion even if anyone can be bothered to try to fathom this flight of fancy - it's more like a blog post.
     
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    Actually, I can fathom fairly well what he's envisioning, because a lot of these flights of fancy are based on the same thing: The notion that matter is unable to accelerate near or above c specifically because various physical effects manifest themselves to slow it down. Drag from other items. space barnacles, virtual black holes, and I don't know what all — this is at least the third time he's gone down this road. His solution every time, of course, is to somehow cancel these phenomena and bingo! you can reach light speed.
     
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  8. StarCruiser

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    And...he would be wrong...again.

    There may yet be a way to break light speed but, his way lies madness.
     
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    I didn't mean that it's not gibberish, because it is. But I get the general idea ... I think.
     
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    I daydreamed of how you could grow an anti gravity plate. But to grow it, you need space to be very flat to eliminate impurities.

    Like the voids between galactic filaments. Now how to get there ;$
     
  11. Dryson

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    Actually, I can fathom fairly well what he's envisioning, because a lot of these flights of fancy are based on the same thing: The notion that matter is unable to accelerate near or above c specifically because various physical effects manifest themselves to slow it down. Drag from other items. space barnacles, virtual black holes, and I don't know what all — this is at least the third time he's gone down this road. His solution every time, of course, is to somehow cancel these phenomena and bingo! you can reach light speed.

    The atom has only been studied since the 1800's. In 220 years, there is no way possible for scientists to fully understand how the Universe functions. Conformity Science however tries to limit new discovers or even ideas that would somehow offend the very foundation of what science is.

    The energy that existed prior to the Big Bang could have existed without mass, because black holes, stars, planets, etc. would not have existed yet to generate mass that almost all theories of Relativity revolve around. Therefore the energy prior to the Big Bang, which would have been everywhere, might not have needed mass to exist.

    Without mass, nothing can exist. But how can energy and matter exist in space-time before mass existed? As far as anyone knows it, the only mass that we are certain of is mass that comes from atoms that existed after the Big Bang. But there we have it. A Universe, prior to the Big Bang, full of matter and energy existing without mass, as we know it. Otherwise if the Universe prior to the Big Bang did not have matter and energy that existed without mass, then how did mass and the Big Bang get created to begin with?

    Like anti-matter and matter, I would also have to think that there is mass and anti-mass.

    Added 11.8.2020

    Micro black holes, also called quantum mechanical black holes or mini black holes, are hypothetical tiny black holes, for which quantum mechanical effects play an important role.[1] The concept that black holes may exist that are smaller than stellar mass was introduced in 1971 by Stephen Hawking.[2]

    It is possible that such quantum
    primordial black holes were created in the high-density environment of the early Universe (or Big Bang), or possibly through subsequent phase transitions. They might be observed by astrophysicists through the particles they are expected to emit by Hawking radiation.

    Stephen Hawking's introduced the idea of the Micro Black Hole in 1971. Hawking proposed that MBH were created during the early Universe through subsequent phase transitions in the high density environment of the early Universe.

    MBH's, like VBH, are only temporary that come into existence and go out of existence so fast that a single MBH would possibly only generate a single Joule of energy, maybe even less. But like the ION Engine, less is actually more

    1 Joule is 1Kg-meter/second^2.

    In other words it is the energy sufficient to accelerate on Kg at an acceleration to 1 meter/second^2 (which is about 1/10th the acceleration of gravity). It is also enough energy to accelerate 1/9.8 Kg at the acceleration of gravity (1/9.8 Kg is about 1/10 the of a Kg or the energy or an object in free fall that weighs about 1/10th of a Kg),

    One MBH generating 1 Joule of energy wouldn't effect matter very much, but if you have a million MBH coming into and going out of existence that are replaced by MBH, a Planck later and then more MBH after that, you have a layered effect of 100 billion
    MBH generating enough energy within one second to make the need to have an infinite source of energy to overcome the mass created by MBH.

    If the MBH, like Hawking stated, is created by a subsequent phase transition, then each subsequent could be insulated against to reduce or block altogether, the phase transition taking place around an object could be controlled to the point of creating Pre-Big Bang Space where gravity and mass would not exist as there would not be any MBH as well as using the phase transitions to slow the object to velocities slower than light speed or sub-light.

    MBH can be looked upon as ripples created by the rain on a pond during a constant rain storm. Each ripple creating a wavelength of energy that comes into contact with other ripples that would cause the water bug to expend nearly an infinite amount of energy to overcome the work created by the ripples.

    But as the rain drops slow and the ripples become less and less, the water bug will move more easily across the surface of the water compared to the water bug that is trapped in the ripple and tries to move but cannot.

    But does the rain not still exist without the pond being excited in jubilee when the two dance?

    Moisture is around us in the air all of the time, just like MBH's, small but still there. We only see the moisture in the air when it rains and creates cause and effect. We can only see a black hole when a star collapses. From moisture to raindrop is a phase transition, much like an MBH is a phase transition to a black hole. Do we try and avoid moisture on a daily basis like we try to avoid the raindrops in rain storm? How much energy do we use trying to avoid moisture in the air compared to the energy that we use trying to avoid rain drops?

    There is more moisture in the air compared to raindrops and yet we use more energy avoiding what we can see then what is there that we can't we see.
     
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  12. Silvercrest

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    An excellent example of more gibberish. Well played, sir.

    I'm trying to decide if this counts as attempt number 4+.

    :wtf:

    I think someone's "Singin' in the Rain" when he doesn't know what the words mean.
     
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    Kauderwelsch!

    Charabia!

    Algarabía!

    Тарабарщина!

    Balderdash!

    Ya get the picture...
     
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    Szwargot!

    Gýč!

    גיבבעריש!

    கிபரிஷ்!

    गिबेरिश!!
     
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    Google Translate can be FUN!
     
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    It really is.
     
  17. Santaman

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    I'm not entirely sure but according to this it should rain inside black holes... :vulcan:
     
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    Well, is there anything that says it cannot? Remember, information can't escape from a black hole. That includes weather reports. It could be raining cats and dogs in there and we'd never know.
     
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    Meh.. black holes suck.. :vulcan:




    ..;):p
     
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    And Virtual Black Holes both suck ... and blow!
     
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