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Violent Protests in Baltimore

Is the violence by Baltimore Protestors Justified?


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Where are the Second Amendment advocates in all this? Gray was arrested for possession of a switchblade.

His arrest was completely without justification. He did nothing as I understand the situation.

The police had to state a charge in order to arrest him, and the stated charge was possession of a switchblade. There is such a law on the books, and Gray did have one in his pocket.

An American citizen was exercising his right to bear arms. Government agents arrested him for bearing arms and he died of an as-yet-unexplained broken neck suffered in custody. For those who tend to get outraged over alleged 2A violations by the government, how is this not the most outrageous such example in years? I mean, other than the color of the victim's skin.
 
I'm going to just leave this here, via Mother Jones:

Martin Luther King said:
Urban riots must now be recognized as durable social phenomena. They may be deplored, but they are there and should be understood. Urban riots are a special form of violence. They are not insurrections. The rioters are not seeking to seize territory or to attain control of institutions. They are mainly intended to shock the white community. They are a distorted form of social protest. The looting which is their principal feature serves many functions. It enables the most enraged and deprived Negro to take hold of consumer goods with the ease the white man does by using his purse. Often the Negro does not even want what he takes; he wants the experience of taking. But most of all, alienated from society and knowing that this society cherishes property above people, he is shocking it by abusing property rights. There are thus elements of emotional catharsis in the violent act. This may explain why most cities in which riots have occurred have not had a repetition, even though the causative conditions remain. It is also noteworthy that the amount of physical harm done to white people other than police is infinitesimal and in Detroit whites and Negroes looted in unity.

A profound judgment of today's riots was expressed by Victor Hugo a century ago. He said, 'If a soul is left in the darkness, sins will be committed. The guilty one is not he who commits the sin, but he who causes the darkness.'

The policymakers of the white society have caused the darkness; they create discrimination; they structured slums; and they perpetuate unemployment, ignorance and poverty. It is incontestable and deplorable that Negroes have committed crimes; but they are derivative crimes. They are born of the greater crimes of the white society. When we ask Negroes to abide by the law, let us also demand that the white man abide by law in the ghettos. Day-in and day-out he violates welfare laws to deprive the poor of their meager allotments; he flagrantly violates building codes and regulations; his police make a mockery of law; and he violates laws on equal employment and education and the provisions for civic services. The slums are the handiwork of a vicious system of the white society; Negroes live in them but do not make them any more than a prisoner makes a prison. Let us say boldly that if the violations of law by the white man in the slums over the years were calculated and compared with the law-breaking of a few days of riots, the hardened criminal would be the white man. These are often difficult things to say but I have come to see more and more that it is necessary to utter the truth in order to deal with the great problems that we face in our society.

Applies just as much to class dynamics, too (most of America's racial dynamics are after all the result of trying to keep the majority of blacks as a permanent underclass).
That's a brilliant quote. Thanks for posting.
 
Where are the Second Amendment advocates in all this? Gray was arrested for possession of a switchblade.

His arrest was completely without justification. He did nothing as I understand the situation.

The police had to state a charge in order to arrest him, and the stated charge was possession of a switchblade. There is such a law on the books, and Gray did have one in his pocket.

An American citizen was exercising his right to bear arms. Government agents arrested him for bearing arms and he died of an as-yet-unexplained broken neck suffered in custody. For those who tend to get outraged over alleged 2A violations by the government, how is this not the most outrageous such example in years? I mean, other than the color of the victim's skin.

I am outraged. There is zero reason why a grown man shouldn't be allowed to walk around with a pocket knife. Maybe if the great state of Maryland would repeal that draconian law we can prevent future incedents like this from occurring.
 
Wasn't aware of a knife being the cause for his arrest. Still not reason enough to arrest in my book.
 
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His arrest was completely without justification. He did nothing as I understand the situation.

The police had to state a charge in order to arrest him, and the stated charge was possession of a switchblade. There is such a law on the books, and Gray did have one in his pocket.

An American citizen was exercising his right to bear arms. Government agents arrested him for bearing arms and he died of an as-yet-unexplained broken neck suffered in custody. For those who tend to get outraged over alleged 2A violations by the government, how is this not the most outrageous such example in years? I mean, other than the color of the victim's skin.

I am outraged. There is zero reason why a grown man shouldn't be allowed to walk around with a pocket knife. Maybe if the great state of Maryland would repeal that draconian law we can prevent future incedents like this from occurring.
A switchblade and a pocket knife are not the same thing.
 
I fail to see a real difference. They are both knives that fit in your pocket. Most pocket knives made now can be deployed with the flick of the wrist just as quickly as a switchblade. There is no real reason they should be illegal other than people irrationally associate them with crime.
 
I fail to see a real difference. They are both knives that fit in your pocket. Most pocket knives made now can be deployed with the flick of the wrist just as quickly as a switchblade. There is no real reason they should be illegal other than people irrationally associate them with crime.

Switchblades have been an illegal weapon for quite some time due to their popular use by criminals. A pocket knife is seen more as a tool than a weapon because it's normally used by sportsmen.
 
What he was arrested for should be irrelevant. He was murdered (or, if you're generous, manslaughter) by the police while in their custody.
 
In my high school during the 60s, the guys wearing switchblades were usually greasers, often trying to look like Marlon Brando or James Dean. A more familiar reference these days would be Arthur Fonzarelli.
 
"The looting which is their principal feature serves many functions. It enables the most enraged and deprived Negro to take hold of consumer goods with the ease the white man does by using his purse. Often the Negro does not even want what he takes; he wants the experience of taking. But most of all, alienated from society and knowing that this society cherishes property above people, he is shocking it by abusing property rights. There are thus elements of emotional catharsis in the violent act. This may explain why most cities in which riots have occurred have not had a repetition, even though the causative conditions remain. It is also noteworthy that the amount of physical harm done to white people other than police is infinitesimal and in Detroit whites and Negroes looted in unity."

Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
September, 1967
Excerpt From:
APA Annual Convention
Washington DC
(And quote above)

While this does not explain all going on in Baltimore, I think these words bear contemplation, as we try to solve this problem. Too often the fires rage, they are put out, and the ashes are forgotten, left to blow away in the wind. Is it time to take color out of the equation yet? Is it time to sit together and SOLVE the problem, providing jobs, as 'Bones suggested, and dignity and respect and equivalent equality?
 
In related news, today is the 23rd anniversary of the Rodney King beating verdict and the start of the L.A. Riots.

For those of us who remember and watched that live news footage coming out of Los Angeles all those years ago the current events in Baltimore bring back some dark and ominous memories and we can only hope that things remain much more under control than they were on the West Coast almost a quarter of a century ago.
 
In related news, today is the 23rd anniversary of the Rodney King beating verdict and the start of the L.A. Riots.

For those of us who remember and watched that live news footage coming out of Los Angeles all those years ago the current events in Baltimore bring back some dark and ominous memories and we can only hope that things remain much more under control than they were on the West Coast almost a quarter of a century ago.

I remember those. They just don't make riots like they used to. I blame social media.
 
Watching reports that say the Mayor gave police the order to stand down on the night of the riot. If that's true don't be surprised if the city gets sued by those who had property damaged or destroyed.
 
Little to do with racism?
Are you really saying black people and white people are equally treated terribly by cops who believe the public to be "the enemy"?
You don't think there might be a tiny bit* of an imbalance there?





* "tiny"

Aren't you European? What do you really know about being white (let alone black) in America? You're awfully opinionated for someone who is not from the states and is not really vested in the problem.
One need not be in the United States to follow what is happening here. Why not answer her question rather than try to discredit her opinion?
 
In related news, today is the 23rd anniversary of the Rodney King beating verdict and the start of the L.A. Riots.

For those of us who remember and watched that live news footage coming out of Los Angeles all those years ago the current events in Baltimore bring back some dark and ominous memories and we can only hope that things remain much more under control than they were on the West Coast almost a quarter of a century ago.

I was in high school and remember it very well. It was the first time I remember seeing video footage of police blatingly delivering a group beating to an unarmed citizen.Was even more surprised later when the officers were aquitted which led to the L.A riots. Unbelievable that we're still dealing with these issues twenty years later.
 
Unbelievable that we're still dealing with these issues twenty years later.
No, it's not at all unbelievable, when you stop to consider how actively social forces (business, politics, racism, etc.) work to keep whole segments of our country from having equal opportunities for not just upward mobility, but the dignity of living their lives without the fear of dying at the hands of those designated to "serve and protect."
 
Aren't you European? What do you really know about being white (let alone black) in America? You're awfully opinionated for someone who is not from the states and is not really vested in the problem.

fonzob1, may I ask what it is you think should be done to take steps so that we can reduce the occurrence of these kinds of situations, with the goal of eliminating them? Or, at least, some first steps? I have been reading your (and all) posts, and I can tell you have very deep and passionate feeling about this terrible issue. Will you please tell me more about what you see as progress towards a solution?
 
Little to do with racism?
Are you really saying black people and white people are equally treated terribly by cops who believe the public to be "the enemy"?
You don't think there might be a tiny bit* of an imbalance there?





* "tiny"

Aren't you European? What do you really know about being white (let alone black) in America? You're awfully opinionated for someone who is not from the states and is not really vested in the problem.
If you don't want to answer { Emilia } due to some sort of ethnic prejudice, maybe you'll answer a question for me. I'm one of those ignorant old farts who's over 60, I was born in Illinois, I'm white, I've lived in the United States all my life. Much of that time has been spent at low paying jobs living in economically depressed urban areas because I didn't finish college.

My question is, are you saying blacks and whites are both mistreated to the same degree by police who treat American citizens as the enemy? Is it possible that some citizens are being mistreated more than others because of their appearance?
 
Watching reports that say the Mayor gave police the order to stand down on the night of the riot. If that's true don't be surprised if the city gets sued by those who had property damaged or destroyed.

When you're a black head of government, you give stand down orders. It's what you do. When you want to save up to 15% on car insurance, you call Geico.
 
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